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What are your expectations for healthcare?; insurance and care level
Topic Started: Mar 19 2014, 12:14 AM (478 Views)
Pat
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I was thinking about this over time and thought I would lay out some thoughts and questions. And this next statement is I believe the root cause of all insurance and caregiver issues. People are self serving and unwilling to accept responsibility that comes with being alive and human.

I look around me and find over half the fellow travelers in life obese and out of shape. If I don't see the drugging, drinking, poor eating, and negligence in person, i read about it in statistics.

And everyone expects, no demands in some manner, that when they can no longer patch themselves up and continue living, the rest of us should join them in the efforts. As if nobody is supposed to just wander into the woods, pick a nice tree to lay under, and expire. Which is in my mind the responsible thing to do for many.

As science marches on, newer and more expensive treatments come online. If you can afford it you can live 10, 20, 30 years longer than others. If you can't afford it and rely on insurance or donations in some form, then people want and expect that same level of care that the extreme wealth can afford. Some little kid lies in bed with a failing liver. The parents expect society to give the same level of care and apply the most expensive cutting edge care to the kid.

Life is not fair and there should be no belief that a person be guaranteed a certain outcome. But in modern times people don't seek a tree or go to the death bed in a responsible fashion. So the basic question becomes how much and where is the cut off in benefits? Should people who ruin their health be allowed to burden to the breaking point the health insurance and healthcare delivery system, if they must rely on such a system for their treatment and care?

What do you think? Single payer plans or not, isn't there a limit, a point where we say no?
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At what point will you say no
for yourself or close family members?
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Sea Dog
Mar 19 2014, 02:46 AM
At what point will you say no
for yourself or close family members?
I think that point is reached when there are no more assets to throw at the problem. Each individual and family has their own point.
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Mar 19 2014, 03:29 AM
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Mar 19 2014, 02:46 AM
At what point will you say no
for yourself or close family members?
I think that point is reached when there are no more assets to throw at the problem. Each individual and family has their own point.
at what point are there no more assets? When you are penniless after helping a family member or after ?
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Mar 19 2014, 03:32 AM
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Mar 19 2014, 03:29 AM
Sea Dog
Mar 19 2014, 02:46 AM
At what point will you say no
for yourself or close family members?
I think that point is reached when there are no more assets to throw at the problem. Each individual and family has their own point.
at what point are there no more assets? When you are penniless after helping a family member or after ?
I think it varies, I know of plenty of spouses who dumped a spouse when the medical issues became too expensive and demanding. Nothing like a good case of cancer, dementia, or heart disease to bring the best out in a spouse.
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Mar 19 2014, 05:04 AM
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Mar 19 2014, 03:32 AM
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Mar 19 2014, 03:29 AM
Sea Dog
Mar 19 2014, 02:46 AM
At what point will you say no
for yourself or close family members?
I think that point is reached when there are no more assets to throw at the problem. Each individual and family has their own point.
at what point are there no more assets? When you are penniless after helping a family member or after ?
I think it varies, I know of plenty of spouses who dumped a spouse when the medical issues became too expensive and demanding. Nothing like a good case of cancer, dementia, or heart disease to bring the best out in a spouse.
You must run with a strange crowd.
I have never heard of such a thing.

I do know of three cases where the husband,,
no, one was still in high school, became wheel chair bound
and the wife is still with them many years later.

Perhaps socialist Canadians are made of a stronger moral fiber.
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Mar 19 2014, 05:29 AM
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Mar 19 2014, 05:04 AM
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Mar 19 2014, 03:32 AM
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Mar 19 2014, 03:29 AM
Sea Dog
Mar 19 2014, 02:46 AM
At what point will you say no
for yourself or close family members?
I think that point is reached when there are no more assets to throw at the problem. Each individual and family has their own point.
at what point are there no more assets? When you are penniless after helping a family member or after ?
I think it varies, I know of plenty of spouses who dumped a spouse when the medical issues became too expensive and demanding. Nothing like a good case of cancer, dementia, or heart disease to bring the best out in a spouse.
You must run with a strange crowd.
I have never heard of such a thing.

I do know of three cases where the husband,,
no, one was still in high school, became wheel chair bound
and the wife is still with them many years later.

Perhaps socialist Canadians are made of a stronger moral fiber.
I don';t think so, Sea. I see the same thing happening over and over in this country. In fact it includes my next door neighbor.

Should I add that my wife is staying with me in spite of my developing vision problems?
Edited by colo_crawdad, Mar 19 2014, 05:35 AM.
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According to egalitarianism, all results should be equal, regardless of effort, ability, or merit. Everyone should get as equal a “slice of the pie” as possible, regardless whether or how much they contributed to the making of the pie. That seems to be what the left wants.

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"According to egalitarianism, all results should be equal, regardless of effort, ability, or merit. "

Just another inflammatory exaggeration of a word and description of what the left wants. Knowing the antonym for egalitarian is elitism, I guess we could use
Berton's twisted logic and misuse of language to say the US right favors elitism. Apply that to medical care.
That would mean medical care only for the elite.
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Everyone should get as equal a “slice of the pie” as possible has been argued by leftest on this board for a very long time now. Why do you deny it?

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