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Albert Einstein."; on science and relligion
Topic Started: Mar 17 2014, 12:41 AM (576 Views)
Berton
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Mar 19 2014, 09:06 AM
If a person is a believer in Jesus as the son of god and therefore capable of explaining the consequences of action living a certain way with the penalty being eternity in hell, then the dynamics of reading the book is different than one who is not a believer. In either case no one forced to do anything, but I suspect the coercive nature of the message to a believer results in the person losing free will and in some manner changing lifestyle choices. The non bdliever would not be affected in the same manner.

But all you are doing is emphasizing a negative viewpoint. My viewpoint is of love and going to heaven. No force is used and non needed.

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Mar 19 2014, 09:20 AM
Example. I was once invited to a purum feast and festival at a friends home. We gathered in his living rlom, about eight people if I remember right. He handed out books to each of us and we commence reading the book of Esther. I recall taking my turn and each time some guy in the books name was read, everybody shouted and stomping their feet. The story was about some agent of satan in some manner and this was the guy who was being verbally abused and shouted at. Anyway, those present were quite caught up in it and I was asked what I thought by a few. I thought it was an interesting tale but held my true thoughts as I didn't want to mock anybody. The people there that were believers obviously were quite serious about the feast and celdbration. I more the observer. I didn't believe there was any truth to the tale but others I think thought they needed reminding of it and found some manner of warning and lesson. Different perspective.

Ester is in the old testament. I ask for examples from the New Testament.

Do you believe that one example typifies all Christians?

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Mar 19 2014, 10:43 AM
My viewpoint is of love and going to heaven.
Really? Really? Obie needs a little love and understanding Christian. :teeth:
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Mar 19 2014, 10:47 AM
Pat
Mar 19 2014, 09:20 AM
Example. I was once invited to a purum feast and festival at a friends home. We gathered in his living rlom, about eight people if I remember right. He handed out books to each of us and we commence reading the book of Esther. I recall taking my turn and each time some guy in the books name was read, everybody shouted and stomping their feet. The story was about some agent of satan in some manner and this was the guy who was being verbally abused and shouted at. Anyway, those present were quite caught up in it and I was asked what I thought by a few. I thought it was an interesting tale but held my true thoughts as I didn't want to mock anybody. The people there that were believers obviously were quite serious about the feast and celdbration. I more the observer. I didn't believe there was any truth to the tale but others I think thought they needed reminding of it and found some manner of warning and lesson. Different perspective.

Ester is in the old testament. I ask for examples from the New Testament.

Do you believe that one example typifies all Christians?

I was under the impression that Christians believe that their Jesus was closing of the circle of the Old Testament. He fulfilled a prophecy. Anyway, yes I believe that by the very nature of organized religion, a coercive nature exists in the minds and actions of believers. There is an expectation of a certain result in exchange for behaving in a certain manner. And then of course the negative consequences when a believer cannot live up to requirements. All of this if fine by me and probably does some good, but there is a different perspective found when a person is not moved by or believes in religion.
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Mar 19 2014, 12:02 PM
Berton
Mar 19 2014, 10:43 AM
My viewpoint is of love and going to heaven.
Really? Really? Obie needs a little love and understanding Christian. :teeth:
I was thinking similar thoughts.
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Mar 19 2014, 12:02 PM
Berton
Mar 19 2014, 10:43 AM
My viewpoint is of love and going to heaven.
Really? Really? Obie needs a little love and understanding Christian. :teeth:
I was thinking similar thoughts.

He is loved as a person. But I thought you liberals want politics and religion strictly separated. :busted:

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