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| Albert Einstein."; on science and relligion | |
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| ngc1514 | Mar 18 2014, 07:46 AM Post #21 |
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You could say the same thing about the constancy of any work of fiction. |
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| Berton | Mar 18 2014, 10:43 AM Post #22 |
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You can say the same thing about a lot of different kind of books. So what? Sorry you missed the point but I can understand why it went right over your head. Edited by Berton, Mar 18 2014, 10:44 AM.
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| campingken | Mar 18 2014, 10:56 AM Post #23 |
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Right Berton. No one is as clever as you...LOL. If you want believe that the bible is a science book go for it. |
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| Berton | Mar 18 2014, 11:00 AM Post #24 |
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You need to comprehend dummy. I was saying just the opposite. Try reading before insulting next time. |
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| tomdrobin | Mar 18 2014, 11:13 AM Post #25 |
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There me be unknown dimensions to our existence that we aren't aware of. But, most religions passed down from generation to generation IMO are a mix of superstition and egalitarian rules for social harmony. Personally I don't buy the assumption that one particular book whether the Bible or the Quran is divinely inspired. There is good and evil in the is world, but I suspect it may be in individuals rather than some external power. |
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| Berton | Mar 18 2014, 11:17 AM Post #26 |
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In my opinion good and evil has always been in individuals. All individuals. You are free to your own opinion about religion and I have not and will not rag you for it. I only wish other people would do the same. |
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| ngc1514 | Mar 18 2014, 11:17 PM Post #27 |
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Why the ad hom, Bertie? I thought you claimed never to be the one who started it. |
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| Pat | Mar 18 2014, 11:45 PM Post #28 |
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I don't think science changes all the time, I do think that the deeper science delves into some areas that at times new discoveries are made that make adjusting a previous theory. And you are right, the bible remains error filled and has for centuries. It is a constant source of misinformation, and as I demonstrated in my first post, the bible errors in very basic understanding of time, math, environment, and reason. I think you can be a logical person Berton, so I assume that you don't need more science to believe that it is impossible for a 600 year old man to have existed. Man's genetic makeup and the gene pool in general has never produced a man let alone a species that lives that long. I think you would have to also believe that it was physically impossible for Noah and his two sons to round up and lead millions of creatures onto a boat, a boat that defies all logic in itself, there has never been built a boat capable of carrying such volume and weight. And I think you would agree that all of the creatures on earth were not common to one small geographical vicinity. The conclusion has to be that the Noah biblical accounting is in error. Going on here, religious people believe their particular holy book is the unerring word of a god or gods. And gods are believed to possess all knowledge and powers. Such a perfect god would not write a book through inspired authors that was enshrined with illogical and unreasonable tales. Fairytales would be a better description. Yet believers say the bible is the word of god and that is that. Which brings us logically to the next question, which bible. There are dozens if not hundreds of books claiming to be the bible, all with interpretations by people. It would only be reasonable to accept in theory the original manuscript that was the said inspired words. So nobody today would understand what was being said even if they did find the original manuscripts intact somewhere. I don't want to beat a dead horse nor insult anybody's belief, generally when I begin unraveling my thoughts on this topic of religion the religious people cast me off as being deluded and lacking of faith. That if I would only set aside my logic and reason and believe or pray, then my eyes would be opened. Opened to what? Would the words change in the book? I always come back to being alone with the questions, studying and observing, and thinking. Which brought me to what I now accept as my reality, what I have come to believe. And I feel good about it, it just feels right intuitive and emotionally. I think Einstein probably approached the subject in much the same way, born into a traditional family belief system and then began questioning and thinking. |
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| colo_crawdad | Mar 19 2014, 12:15 AM Post #29 |
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I think that Einstein was saying that science needs the ethical teaching of religions to regulate its use while religion devoid of or rejecting science is just for blind fools. |
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| Pat | Mar 19 2014, 12:27 AM Post #30 |
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Yea I think he was saying that to, I was just going a little deeper and trying to put logic as to why he came to the conclusion. I think there is some pure ethics capitulated in the bible, you have to throw out the attempts to force action or brainwash humanity out of a person. But there are some basic truths. I think it was Budda that said there were three practices to embrace. 1. to love entirely, 2. to live with as little impact on others and the environment, and 3.live a simple existence. In other words to deny the individual expression of life and humanity. Control. There is a base animal inside of us that demands expression, even though it acts against idealistic expectations of others. |
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