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| Banandangees | Mar 16 2014, 07:46 PM Post #11 |
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But shouldn't that doctor, who says she knows how many people die in the US who have no insurance, know how many die in her own country because of the wait time? She changed the question and turned off her mike. |
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| Banandangees | Mar 16 2014, 07:50 PM Post #12 |
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I know many people, African Americans as our country likes to call them, who have no insurance and have family doctors in clinics, who have elective procedures, emergency procedures.... it has been available to them if they personally seek it. I have mentioned several cases in the past but I guess folks forget. And, they get their medications. Socialists would like to believe that these folks don't receive healthcare. The fact is they do if they seek it. |
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| campingken | Mar 16 2014, 10:35 PM Post #13 |
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Harvard Medical School recently conducted a study and their conclusion was that 40,000 Americans die every year due to lack of preventative medical care (health insurance). Perhaps they didn't know about Ban's African American friends. However here on the west coast I personally knew "Americans" who do not have access to things like yearly physicals and the tests that they include because they didn't have insurance and therefore could not afford them. However the ACA has changed this for many. Perhaps a Canadian Medical school would do a study of waiting room deaths in Canada if one of them felt that there was a need for it. |
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| tomdrobin | Mar 16 2014, 10:53 PM Post #14 |
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Ban You have your little fantasy but it is not supported by any facts. Perhaps your african americans are on medicaid. Which is the government program for people who very poor. That is how it worked in the past. If your fortunate enough to have good health care through your employer than consider yourself lucky, but many employers have been dropping the benefit or requiring increasing employee cost participation. The people in the middle, who have enough to disqualify them for medicaid, but can't afford the outlandish premiums on their own were SOL. Whenever a free clinic gets set up people flock in to get care for conditions long neglected. Seniors on medicare are pretty much isolated from this phenomenon. Now regarding wait times. Last month I scheduled my colonoscopy that they recommend I get every five years. The earliest available with my GI doctor is April 30. That's over a two month wait. And, I've experienced similar waits with other elective procedures like my hip replacement. To claim there are no significant waits for elective procedures here is more BS. |
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| Banandangees | Mar 16 2014, 11:00 PM Post #15 |
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Well, Tom and CampingKen, I know how it is in Erie, PA. I've worked in healthcare for 36 years and have been associated with Black Americans (and white Americans) without specific health insurance in this area for a long time. My experiences are obviously different from yours.... but Tom, they aren't fantasy. It's there if they seek it... I've participated in taking them to it. Some have lived a life of addiction or facilitated addiction by dealing drugs.... some in and out of prison. It's there for them if, like many entitlement programs, if they know the system and how to get there.
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| Banandangees | Mar 16 2014, 11:33 PM Post #16 |
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Aside from three hospitals available to the uninsured for patient evaluation and treatment there are several facilities like this one: Community Healthnet where anyone can walk in... and until AKA, was available for those without insurance. A Dr. Snow, and other community leaders were behind such programs. Dr. Snow is also the energy for developing a local addiction treatment and (Gaudenzia) halfway house in Erie. I've known him for as long as I've been in the Erie area and have worked with him. He has used his knowledge of our healthcare system to build a system where, in the past, anyone without insurance could and would be seen and followed and the hospitals (particularly Hamot Hospital) treated, without delay, anyone needing treatment, regardless. Are there some who don't seek the availability, yes.... but it's there..... just as there are some who receive every ounce of benefit the government has to offer; and there are others who, out of ignorance or lack of steering help or guidance, don't receive all they can. Edited by Banandangees, Mar 16 2014, 11:34 PM.
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| campingken | Mar 17 2014, 02:12 AM Post #17 |
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Are you talking about alcoholics and drug addicts getting preventive medical care in PA? The people that I know out here all worked but didn't make enough to pay their own way for yearly check ups and lab work but made too much to qualify for any kind of aid program. |
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