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What liberal governing gets you; Chicago and the State losing population in droves
Topic Started: Mar 14 2014, 12:54 AM (657 Views)
tomdrobin
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Those problems in these communities primarily result from spending and obligations made on the basis of a lot more revenue. Tax cuts and the loss of the manufacturing base has really made them come up short. I would agree they should have been more conservative when times were better, but that is 20/20 hindsight. Wealthy people who have mobility may choose to move where taxes are lower, the not so wealthy don't have as many options. It's really know different than companies playing one community off against another to get tax breaks. Just capitalism at work cutting costs.

BTW Pat, the northwest isn't known for low taxes are they? Do other factors keep you there?
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Mar 20 2014, 12:14 AM
Those problems in these communities primarily result from spending and obligations made on the basis of a lot more revenue. Tax cuts and the loss of the manufacturing base has really made them come up short. I would agree they should have been more conservative when times were better, but that is 20/20 hindsight. Wealthy people who have mobility may choose to move where taxes are lower, the not so wealthy don't have as many options. It's really know different than companies playing one community off against another to get tax breaks. Just capitalism at work cutting costs.

BTW Pat, the northwest isn't known for low taxes are they? Do other factors keep you there?
People up here for the most part are better educated and the standard of living is high. I'm speaking for the west side of the state, the eastern side is agriculture and desert, lower wages and lower standard of living. The taxes are not low, sales tax for example nudging at 10%, property taxes fairly high. We don't have a state income tax, thank god and the voters keep beating the efforts back. Outside the rain and winter (nine months long) gloom, it's home. The ability to escape periodically to the east for more sunshine and warmth or out of state and country has kept us here. Plus family roots I guess. I think that is the story of most of us on the board, roots. It's home despite the warts.
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We have income tax and sales tax, and property taxes. With no sales tax on groceries or prescription meds. The sales tax erks me the most, every purchase they get you for 6%.
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Mar 19 2014, 12:34 PM
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Mar 17 2014, 04:10 AM
But it was unions who drove the price of all jobs up. You can not get away from that fact.

It was done to keep the business solvent in a world wide economy. Taxes on corporations in the US are the highest in the world.
Your so full of it. It wasn't the high cost of labor here, it was the lure of cheap labor there that led to offshoring. We have high corporate taxes full of loopholes. Most are pretty adept at avoiding paying any taxes.

Your delusions are typical of a Koch addict conservative wannabee. :teeth:

I am glad that you understand that US labor must compete with world wide labor. But instead of competing, Unions feather-bed and resist innovation which would make US labor more competitive by making them more productive.

You are typical of a Soros led socialist.

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Mar 20 2014, 12:14 AM
Those problems in these communities primarily result from spending and obligations made on the basis of a lot more revenue. Tax cuts and the loss of the manufacturing base has really made them come up short. I would agree they should have been more conservative when times were better, but that is 20/20 hindsight. Wealthy people who have mobility may choose to move where taxes are lower, the not so wealthy don't have as many options. It's really know different than companies playing one community off against another to get tax breaks. Just capitalism at work cutting costs.

BTW Pat, the northwest isn't known for low taxes are they? Do other factors keep you there?

The cities and states which are being pointed out did not cut taxes. They have raised taxes all according to the liberal plan you advocate. Yet they are still going broke.

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Mar 20 2014, 08:22 PM
tomdrobin
Mar 20 2014, 12:14 AM
Those problems in these communities primarily result from spending and obligations made on the basis of a lot more revenue. Tax cuts and the loss of the manufacturing base has really made them come up short. I would agree they should have been more conservative when times were better, but that is 20/20 hindsight. Wealthy people who have mobility may choose to move where taxes are lower, the not so wealthy don't have as many options. It's really know different than companies playing one community off against another to get tax breaks. Just capitalism at work cutting costs.

BTW Pat, the northwest isn't known for low taxes are they? Do other factors keep you there?

The cities and states which are being pointed out did not cut taxes. They have raised taxes all according to the liberal plan you advocate. Yet they are still going broke.

And this is true because Berton says it is true. :sarcasim:
Edited by colo_crawdad, Mar 20 2014, 09:34 PM.
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Mar 20 2014, 09:33 PM
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Mar 20 2014, 08:22 PM
tomdrobin
Mar 20 2014, 12:14 AM
Those problems in these communities primarily result from spending and obligations made on the basis of a lot more revenue. Tax cuts and the loss of the manufacturing base has really made them come up short. I would agree they should have been more conservative when times were better, but that is 20/20 hindsight. Wealthy people who have mobility may choose to move where taxes are lower, the not so wealthy don't have as many options. It's really know different than companies playing one community off against another to get tax breaks. Just capitalism at work cutting costs.

BTW Pat, the northwest isn't known for low taxes are they? Do other factors keep you there?

The cities and states which are being pointed out did not cut taxes. They have raised taxes all according to the liberal plan you advocate. Yet they are still going broke.

And this is true because Berton says it is true. :sarcasim:

It is true because that is what has happened. :bang:

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Mar 20 2014, 08:21 PM
I am glad that you understand that US labor must compete with world wide labor. But instead of competing, Unions feather-bed and resist innovation which would make US labor more competitive by making them more productive.

You are typical of a Soros led socialist.

Union members account for about 17% of the work force and the majority of them are public employees. And, btw I favor right to work, and no collective bargaining for public unions.

Now you tell me how this small sliver of the work force is causing all this offshore manufacturing.

As for the states and cities raising taxes. When your tax base takes a nosedive, that is the only way in the short term to stay afloat after essential services have been cut to the bone.

Soros is small potatoes compared to the Koch machine and it's Fox fed suckers.
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Mar 20 2014, 09:42 PM
Berton
Mar 20 2014, 08:21 PM
I am glad that you understand that US labor must compete with world wide labor. But instead of competing, Unions feather-bed and resist innovation which would make US labor more competitive by making them more productive.

You are typical of a Soros led socialist.

Union members account for about 17% of the work force and the majority of them are public employees. And, btw I favor right to work, and no collective bargaining for public unions.

Now you tell me how this small sliver of the work force is causing all this offshore manufacturing.

As for the states and cities raising taxes. When your tax base takes a nosedive, that is the only way in the short term to stay afloat after essential services have been cut to the bone.

Soros is small potatoes compared to the Koch machine and it's Fox fed suckers.
It isn't the root cause of off shoring Tom. Tax policy and trade policy is at the heart of it.
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Offshoring has more to do with cheap labor without worker safety rules and the EPA then our tax and trade policy. In the 3rd world big business isn't bothered buy pesky agencies like the EPA and worker safety. They save lots of money by not having to protect their workers and dumping their waste wherever they wish.
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