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Before you critcise Obama on Ukraine
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Topic Started: Mar 9 2014, 12:34 PM (582 Views)
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Mar 10 2014, 10:55 AM
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- Berton
- Mar 10 2014, 07:01 AM
- telcoman
- Mar 10 2014, 05:47 AM
- Berton
- Mar 10 2014, 01:42 AM
- telcoman
- Mar 9 2014, 10:39 PM
- Berton
- Mar 9 2014, 01:19 PM
Obama went on vacation. No doubt he will have several rounds of golf to show just how tough he is.
I see ypu have nothing substantial to contribute. Is that what you like to call "diverting"? Do you even remember the Georgia incident? Or would you prefer to forget it and the fact the current President is reacting in an identical fashion to your lord & saviour? (BTW, IMO, Bush probably reacted properly as well)
Diverting? What? By pointing out the obvious? That Obama's only problem with Russia is that it keeps him from playing golf as much as he want to do? Tell me what the date was that President Bush went to the Caribbean during the Georgia incident? Or did he say home and take care of business? Bush never took vacations during an international crisis? You may want to reconsider what you said. Read again: Link Straw man alert!!!That is not what I said. Besides, the circumstances are not the same. Georgia started the war when it shelled the South Ossetian capital on Aug. 7 and 8, 2008. In Ukraine, protesters unseated President Viktor Yanukovych, who used police and snipers to kill dozens of protesters. Of course it is not exactly the same, but its about as close to being the same as is possible.
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Berton
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Mar 10 2014, 10:56 AM
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- tomdrobin
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There is not a lot we can do other than object diplomatically. A military standoff with Russia would be too dangerous. That should only be reserved when we under imminent threat. Some limited sanctions might make us feel better, but probably won't deter Putin. Heavy economic sanctions require European buy in, and they are just to tied in with Russia economically particularly in the energy sector. Obama's critics will of course take this opportunity to criticize him, like they always do. But, he is handling it as well as anyone could.
You are right that there is not much else he can do. But that is his fault. Weakness is always taken advantage of in the international arena.
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Berton
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Mar 10 2014, 10:59 AM
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- telcoman
- Mar 10 2014, 10:55 AM
- Berton
- Mar 10 2014, 07:01 AM
- telcoman
- Mar 10 2014, 05:47 AM
- Berton
- Mar 10 2014, 01:42 AM
- telcoman
- Mar 9 2014, 10:39 PM
- Berton
- Mar 9 2014, 01:19 PM
Obama went on vacation. No doubt he will have several rounds of golf to show just how tough he is.
I see ypu have nothing substantial to contribute. Is that what you like to call "diverting"? Do you even remember the Georgia incident? Or would you prefer to forget it and the fact the current President is reacting in an identical fashion to your lord & saviour? (BTW, IMO, Bush probably reacted properly as well)
Diverting? What? By pointing out the obvious? That Obama's only problem with Russia is that it keeps him from playing golf as much as he want to do? Tell me what the date was that President Bush went to the Caribbean during the Georgia incident? Or did he say home and take care of business? Bush never took vacations during an international crisis? You may want to reconsider what you said. Read again: Link Straw man alert!!!That is not what I said. Besides, the circumstances are not the same. Georgia started the war when it shelled the South Ossetian capital on Aug. 7 and 8, 2008. In Ukraine, protesters unseated President Viktor Yanukovych, who used police and snipers to kill dozens of protesters.
Of course it is not exactly the same, but its about as close to being the same as is possible.
Really? When did the Ukraine invade Russia? Did the people of Georgia unseat its government right before Russia invaded it?
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Mar 10 2014, 11:10 AM
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When did i say ukraine invaded russia? I was drawing comparisons with russia sending troops into georgia.
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Mar 10 2014, 11:13 AM
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- Berton
- Mar 10 2014, 10:56 AM
- tomdrobin
- Mar 10 2014, 10:30 AM
There is not a lot we can do other than object diplomatically. A military standoff with Russia would be too dangerous. That should only be reserved when we under imminent threat. Some limited sanctions might make us feel better, but probably won't deter Putin. Heavy economic sanctions require European buy in, and they are just to tied in with Russia economically particularly in the energy sector. Obama's critics will of course take this opportunity to criticize him, like they always do. But, he is handling it as well as anyone could.
You are right that there is not much else he can do. But that is his fault. Weakness is always taken advantage of in the international arena. The same way Bush showed weakness over Georgia if you want to interpret pursuing diplomatic solutions as weakness.
IMO, Bush followed the correct course of action,as is Obama.
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Berton
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Mar 10 2014, 11:16 AM
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When did i say ukraine invaded russia? I was drawing comparisons with russia sending troops into georgia.
You didn't which is why the situation is different.
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Berton
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Mar 10 2014, 11:18 AM
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- telcoman
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There is not a lot we can do other than object diplomatically. A military standoff with Russia would be too dangerous. That should only be reserved when we under imminent threat. Some limited sanctions might make us feel better, but probably won't deter Putin. Heavy economic sanctions require European buy in, and they are just to tied in with Russia economically particularly in the energy sector. Obama's critics will of course take this opportunity to criticize him, like they always do. But, he is handling it as well as anyone could.
You are right that there is not much else he can do. But that is his fault. Weakness is always taken advantage of in the international arena.
The same way Bush showed weakness over Georgia if you want to interpret pursuing diplomatic solutions as weakness. IMO, Bush followed the correct course of action,as is Obama.
I don't know of one instance where President Bush showed weakness, like you extreme left wingers wanted him to do. It is not just what Obama is doing today. It is what he has done from his first day in office.
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Mar 10 2014, 11:27 AM
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Oh brother, he did not intervene, he went on vacation. His reaction was no different than Obamas. why do you have so much trouble admitin g the obvious? Bush did not stand up to Putin anymore than Obama has, so far. You cannot change history. Besides obamas actions on this have not yet played out yet.
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Mar 10 2014, 11:38 AM
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I can say it because like I said the situation is different. Why can't you admit the obvious?
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Mar 10 2014, 11:40 AM
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- Berton
- Mar 10 2014, 11:38 AM
I can say it because like I said the situation is different. Why can't you admit the obvious?
I will. It's obvious you don't know what your talking about. And, don't want to learn either.
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