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Envy vs. Achievement
Topic Started: Mar 4 2014, 08:42 PM (666 Views)
Banandangees
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When I was a member of the Republican Party, I was a supporter of folks like Nelson Rockefeller who would now be considered a RINO by the right wing extremists who control the party today.

I do not consider the Democrat Party to have been hijacked by left wing extremists. As a matter of face left wing extremists do not control the Democrat Party today as the right wing extremists control the
Republican Party today.


President Obama and his appointees are as extreme left wing as I've seen in my lifetime. As you said before, it's in the eye of the beholder. It's just that it's hard for me to believe that someone who was previously a Republican and a supporter of Nelson Rockefeller could see Obama as otherwise.
Edited by Banandangees, Mar 6 2014, 09:45 AM.
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tomdrobin
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Banandangees
Mar 6 2014, 09:44 AM
President Obama and his appointees are as extreme left wing as I've seen in my lifetime. As you said before, it's in the eye of the beholder. It's just that it's hard for me to believe that someone who was previously a Republican and a supporter of Nelson Rockefeller could see Obama as otherwise.
Bull Crap Ban

Compared to almost any Democratic president in the last hundred years we looks like a fiscal conservative. He has moved quite liberally on social issues, but much of that is just keeping up with the times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kSLEYOP2Z8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD5NvD56vRs
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Banandangees
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Keeping up with the times??? What times are those??, becoming a welfare state?

I'm thinking that your first sentence is the "Bull Crap." You're saying the Obama is more conservative than JFK and and Truman??

Your second sentence is the accurate truth, only I would say that he has moved (or attempted to move) extremely liberally on social issues. In fact, that's his main concentration as president. He certainly isn't up on foreign diplomacy as was JFK or Truman.

I don't think we are living on the same planet.
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Mar 5 2014, 12:47 AM
Ban,

You might want to read sosme of John Rawls and his use of the "veil of ignorance" when designing an just society. Ten you might understand the liberal demand for treating people equally and fairly.
Ban,

Have you taken the time and energy to read some of John Rawls use of the "Veil of Ignorance" (I know I misspelled his last name in my original post) in order to actually understand what modern US liberalism is? I would suggest hat, that you desire to continue to post bout "what liberals believe, such reading would be worth your time.
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So reading these forums in not a true vision of what libs think? lol
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colo_crawdad
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For those actually interested in that part of liberal philosophy that includes reasonable welfare protections for the poor in our society, Here is a pdf version of John Rawls' A Theory of Justice
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colo_crawdad
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For those wanting to red the Christian demand for liberalism concerning the poor and destitute might so well to read Matthew 25:40.
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Banandangees
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Christian "demand for liberalism?" I have seen no such demand by Christ. He was not a politician. He was all things to all people.

Matthew 25:40 is for "the least of these." Those with the least. The least ability. The least health. The least intellectual ability. The least talent. The least of things beyond their control or given talents. Those are the one Christ was speaking of.

There is also the parable of the 10 talents Matthew 25: 14-30; (there are greater and lesser persons than yourself.) The parable is of used and wasted talents. The parable of using your talents that you have been blessed with.


Then there are those who have the talents but not encouraged to use them, or given reasons that discourage them from using them... "obstacles put in their way," there was this statement by Christ to the Teachers of the Law (those in authority, which the Pharisees were):

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees (leaders in authority), you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven (a means to a better life) in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to." (who have the talents but discouraged from using them). (Matthew 23: 13).
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Did Truman demand and force on the citizenship a nationalized health plan? If so then you can say he was as liberal as Obama. If not then you can not make that claim. Not even Carter was that far left.

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Ban,

Your interpretation of that biblical verse is significantly different than what I was taught in Bible School. I was taught that Jesus was speaking of the poor and destitute.

BTW Ban, have you read any of Rawls yet?

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