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Envy vs. Achievement
Topic Started: Mar 4 2014, 08:42 PM (667 Views)
Banandangees
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colo_crawdad
Mar 6 2014, 12:57 AM
I agree, pat. that is why I left the Republican party after they were hijacked by the right wing extremists.

:teeth: Now you're sounding like Brew and Thumper. You left the "moderate right wing Republican Party because it was hijacked by right wing extremists and went to the Democrat Party which has been hihacked by the left wing extremists. What's a moderate to do?
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I don't know how anyone could ever have been a conservative and now support the left wing of Obi and his minions.
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Pat
Mar 6 2014, 12:50 AM
I doubt the Hollywood millionaires have much envy in their liberal minds. Having a different philosophy and beliefs is something that evolves and hopefully modifies as more life lessons and research occurs. How many think the same as they did ten years ago? No modification?
I have always considered myself a fiscal conservative
and a social liberal.

I do not think that my position has changed
since I have attained adulthood.

Probably why I am out of step here
most of the time!
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Banandangees
Mar 6 2014, 01:32 AM
You left the "moderate right wing Republican Party because it was hijacked by right wing extremists and went to the Democrat Party which has been hihacked by the left wing extremists. What's a moderate to do?
The narrative that the Dems have moved to the left is a figment of the right wing imagination that is bolstered by the constant chatter from right wing propaganda media (ie; Fox, powerline etc. etc.). The country has moved politically to the right the last 3 decades and that includes the democratic party. And, this didn't happen by accident. Reagan started it with his declaration that government couldn't solve problems, that it was the problem. Which was really code speak meaning do away with regulation and give tax cuts to your rich supporters. In 1980 David Koch ran for president on the Libertarian ticket. He advocated the abolition of Social Security, the FBI, the CIA, and public schools. He put his own money into the race and garnered 1.1% of the vote. After that he decided his money could be put to better use moving public opinion to the right. Since then they have been funding right wing "Think Tanks" and other right wing organizations like Americans Prosperity, Freedomworks and are the money behind the Tea Party movement. They have been donating money to universities, with strings attached of course to try and move the institutions to the right from their traditional left leaning positions. Money talks. The second largest privately held company in the US, and the most powerful political machine most people never heard of.

The results of this movement are clear and plain to see. A huge disparity in wealth distribution reminiscent of the period prior to the great depression. A disappearing middle class. Families struggling on low wages, often qualifying for government assistance like food stamps. Limitations on corporations and the wealthy and powerful to spend on politics abolished. Safeguards enacted after the great depression (Glass-Siegel) repealed. The practice of "regulatory capture" whereby industry insiders are appointed to regulatory agencies resulting in rollbacks in clean air and water, mining disasters, poison peanut butter and the granddaddy of all oil spills.

Yet still we haven't said enough is enough and thrown the bums out and corrected this monsterous coup de ta of our democracy. Why? Because a steady stream of horse dung is feed to the believers, that libs and dems and the evil Obama commie are the problem. And, that the problem isn't so many poor people it's government wanting to give them food stamps. And those other liberal lazy so and so are endangering our freedom. Wake up loonies, before we are a bull blown banana republic.
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Mar 6 2014, 02:45 AM
Pat
Mar 6 2014, 12:50 AM
I doubt the Hollywood millionaires have much envy in their liberal minds. Having a different philosophy and beliefs is something that evolves and hopefully modifies as more life lessons and research occurs. How many think the same as they did ten years ago? No modification?
I have always considered myself a fiscal conservative
and a social liberal.


I do not think that my position has changed
since I have attained adulthood.

Probably why I am out of step here
most of the time!

You have just very well defined a liberal. Fiscally conservative with their own money and socially liberal with other people's money.

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Mar 6 2014, 04:31 AM
Banandangees
Mar 6 2014, 01:32 AM
You left the "moderate right wing Republican Party because it was hijacked by right wing extremists and went to the Democrat Party which has been hihacked by the left wing extremists. What's a moderate to do?
The narrative that the Dems have moved to the left is a figment of the right wing imagination that is bolstered by the constant chatter from right wing propaganda media (ie; Fox, powerline etc. etc.). The country has moved politically to the right the last 3 decades and that includes the democratic party. And, this didn't happen by accident. Reagan started it with his declaration that government couldn't solve problems, that it was the problem. Which was really code speak meaning do away with regulation and give tax cuts to your rich supporters. In 1980 David Koch ran for president on the Libertarian ticket. He advocated the abolition of Social Security, the FBI, the CIA, and public schools. He put his own money into the race and garnered 1.1% of the vote. After that he decided his money could be put to better use moving public opinion to the right. Since then they have been funding right wing "Think Tanks" and other right wing organizations like Americans Prosperity, Freedomworks and are the money behind the Tea Party movement. They have been donating money to universities, with strings attached of course to try and move the institutions to the right from their traditional left leaning positions. Money talks. The second largest privately held company in the US, and the most powerful political machine most people never heard of.

The results of this movement are clear and plain to see. A huge disparity in wealth distribution reminiscent of the period prior to the great depression. A disappearing middle class. Families struggling on low wages, often qualifying for government assistance like food stamps. Limitations on corporations and the wealthy and powerful to spend on politics abolished. Safeguards enacted after the great depression (Glass-Siegel) repealed. The practice of "regulatory capture" whereby industry insiders are appointed to regulatory agencies resulting in rollbacks in clean air and water, mining disasters, poison peanut butter and the granddaddy of all oil spills.

Yet still we haven't said enough is enough and thrown the bums out and corrected this monsterous coup de ta of our democracy. Why? Because a steady stream of horse dung is feed to the believers, that libs and dems and the evil Obama commie are the problem. And, that the problem isn't so many poor people it's government wanting to give them food stamps. And those other liberal lazy so and so are endangering our freedom. Wake up loonies, before we are a bull blown banana republic.

JFK and BHO have nothing in common on the scale of conservative to conservative. In fact, WJC and BHO also have not much in common on that scale of conservative to liberal.

"The results of this movement are clear and plain to see. A huge disparity in wealth distribution reminiscent of the period prior to the great depression. A disappearing middle class.

Canada is a "liberal country" according to most all Canadians who post here, and Canada has the same disparity of wealth problem as the US.
Edited by Banandangees, Mar 6 2014, 04:54 AM.
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Mar 6 2014, 04:52 AM
Canada is a "liberal country" according to most all Canadians who post here, and Canada has the same disparity of wealth problem as the US.
Did the Fox tell you that?

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Canada’s top 1 per cent of earners took home 10.6 per cent of the country’s income in 2011, a share that plateaued from a year earlier but remains higher than in recent decades.


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In the U.S., the income share of the top 1 per cent of earners was 19.7 per cent in 2011, according to economists Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty. By last year, it had grown to about 22.5 per cent – a similar level to both before the recession and the Great Depression. The economists found that incomes for the top 1 per cent grew by nearly a third between 2009 and 2012, compared with 0.4-per-cent growth for the bottom 99 per cent.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/earnings-of-canadas-1-per-cent-revealed-in-new-statscan-data/article15821849/

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Canada's rich earn on average $381,300 a year and are mostly male, white and married


http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/wealthiest-1-earn-10-times-more-than-average-canadian-1.1703017

We should be so lucky.
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Mar 6 2014, 05:18 AM
Banandangees
Mar 6 2014, 04:52 AM
Canada is a "liberal country" according to most all Canadians who post here, and Canada has the same disparity of wealth problem as the US.
Did the Fox tell you that?

Do I really need to post all the links (none Fox) that have addressed Canada's growing income inequality? And Canada is a liberal country.... as opposed to your mentioning the US having been a "far right growing government country.

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Canada’s top 1 per cent of earners took home 10.6 per cent of the country’s income in 2011, a share that plateaued from a year earlier but remains higher than in recent decades.


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In the U.S., the income share of the top 1 per cent of earners was 19.7 per cent in 2011, according to economists Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty. By last year, it had grown to about 22.5 per cent – a similar level to both before the recession and the Great Depression. The economists found that incomes for the top 1 per cent grew by nearly a third between 2009 and 2012, compared with 0.4-per-cent growth for the bottom 99 per cent.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/earnings-of-canadas-1-per-cent-revealed-in-new-statscan-data/article15821849/

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Canada's rich earn on average $381,300 a year and are mostly male, white and married


http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/wealthiest-1-earn-10-times-more-than-average-canadian-1.1703017

We should be so lucky.

JFK and BHO have nothing in common on the scale of conservative to conservative. In fact, WJC and BHO also have not much in common on that scale of conservative to liberal.
Edited by Banandangees, Mar 6 2014, 05:35 AM.
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The philosophical idea that gives rise to the emotion of envy is egalitarianism, a warped notion of justice that is rampant today and wreaks havoc not only on our personal success and happiness but also on the entire economy. According to egalitarianism, all results should be equal, regardless of effort, ability, or merit. Everyone should get as equal a “slice of the pie” as possible, regardless whether or how much they contributed to the making of the pie. People who believe in egalitarianism—the overwhelming majority today—are prone to envy.

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When I was a member of the Republican Party, I was a supporter of folks like Nelson Rockefeller who would now be considered a RINO by the right wing extremists who control the party today.

I do not consider the Democrat Party to have been hijacked by left wing extremists. As a matter of face left wing extremists do not control the Democrat Party today as the right wing extremists control the
Republican Party today.
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