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Unions
Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 11:42 AM (826 Views)
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Tom, I don't think even you believe libs want big money out of politics. LOL
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Mar 8 2014, 11:04 PM
Tom, I don't think even you believe libs want big money out of politics. LOL
Read my lips, I would like to see publicly financed campaigns or at the very least strict spending limits limited to individuals.
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Berton
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Then why don't you come down on Dems like you do conservatives?

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It is the GOP conservatives pushing for no limits on campaign contributions, and the conservative SCOTUS rolling back campaign finance laws and declaring corporations are entitled to spend unlimited in the name of free speech. As for the dems, to be competitive they have to raise money also and the unions are a part of that.
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Only in your simplethink mind do you not know that Unions have been a virtual unlimited source of money for the Dems for years and years. The SCOTUS ruling did level the playing field so I can understand why in your simplethink mind that is not fair.

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Why do some on the Right keep attempting to spread the myth that, prior to Citizens, unions were forbidden by law to spend dues money on election campaigns. They were limited to spending only voluntary contributions to PAC organizations. Of course those contributing to those PAC organizations were not so ashamed of their donations that they wanted them hidden.
Edited by colo_crawdad, Mar 11 2014, 09:39 PM.
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Why do some on the Left keep attempting to spread the myth that, prior to Citizens, unions did not spend money, almost unlimited money, on election campaigns? Obviously they do not want the playing field to be level.
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I would like to know how the unions who represent 15-17% of the workers in this country come up with "virtually unlimited" funds to spend on politics?

Reality Check.

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The Campaign to Screw Most of Us

Why the 1% Brews Blowhards, Bigots & Bitter Tea Parties

What's Going On?

There is an elaborate strategic process at work here. It started with the Powell Memo in 1971 urging corporations and wealthy elites to defend the "Free Market" against "Tax & Spend" liberals, "Big Government" progressives, and "Thugish" union leaders. These slogans are part of a carefully-crafted propaganda campaign by organized wealth.

And this is just part of the more than $1 Billion spent by elitist funders since 1971 to shift wealth upwards, pick our pockets, and stomp on the basic human rights of most of us.

Their strategy is simple, and they openly brag about it:

Cut taxes, especially for the wealthy, to "starve" federal, state, and local governments until their ability to serve our needs is wrecked.
Attack labor unions and minimum wage laws to lower labor costs.
Push deregulation to remove laws that protect the environment and public safety.
Privatize, privatize, privatize.
When society starts to fall apart, blame liberals, immigrants, Muslims, women, gay people, progressive organizers, and other handy scapegoats villified on Fox News and other right-wing media.
Let's use labor unions as an example.

Over the past 30 years, corporate conservatives and economic libertarians have spent more than $170 million just trying to convince us that labor unions are bad for America, and that government laws and regulations should not protect a worker's right to organize a union without harassment or termination.

The coalition of foundations that fund conservative and right-wing think tanks and other institutions that attack organized labor give money to an array of allied and interconnected think tanks that numerous reports and issue an endless stream of press releases.

This creates the impression that there is a groundswell of support for reigning in labor unions and government "interference" in corporate affairs.

These foundations often give long-term grants that provide stability and ensure the survival of conservative and right-wing think tanks. They support both a Social Movement Infrastructure and a Political Movement Infrastructure.

Until a similar progressive social movement infrastructure is created and sustained, the Democratic Party will continue to move to the right; and the right-wing attacks on working people, a living wage, and handy scapegoats will increase.

Robust social movements pull political parties towards them -- It's not the other way around and never has been.


http://www.organizedwealth.us/

Much, much more at the link. Of course Berton will deny until his dying breath that he has been indoctrinated by the propaganda.
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Tom,

Remove the public sector and union members make up about 7% of the work force. Apparently, in Con Land, they are able to control the other 93%. This is like that other Con Land phenomenon where 15% of the non believes declared war on the Christian Christmas and took it away from the 85% who believe...

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Mar 11 2014, 10:15 PM
Why do some on the Left keep attempting to spread the myth that, prior to Citizens, unions did not spend money, almost unlimited money, on election campaigns? Obviously they do not want the playing field to be level.
bsmeter

Obviously written by a poster who has had absolutely no dealings with real uios. One who has never sat on any union Borards of Directors. Yes, one who know nothing more than what he/she has picked up from right wing propaganda sites.

Oh, and written by a poster who shows originality.
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