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| Banandangees | Jan 4 2014, 11:29 AM Post #81 |
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I didn't say that. I specifically mentioned Georgetown U. and Fluke. But I would suspect that any religious affiliated institution that is "spiritually" against the use of contraception as a means of birth control has a right to deny paying for or asking it's insurer to pay for such. It probably doesn't matter how you individually would delineate what % of religious institutions it takes to make the law applicable to all religious institutions. It may be only one. Evidently, there are those religious institutes that feel that such a government required inclusion of contraception in the health insurance they offer doesn't border on violation of their religious beliefs but is actually a violation that crosses that border; thus the recent temporary mandate ruling by the judge. That judge apparently does not agree with you at this time. I suppose that judge wants to take a closer look at separation of church and state implications..... which is Constitutional. Edited by Banandangees, Jan 4 2014, 11:30 AM.
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| colo_crawdad | Jan 4 2014, 01:33 PM Post #82 |
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Ban, I am glad I was correct that that wasn't your suggestion. Now, I am trying desperately to identify some organized religions other than Catholicism, that oppose all forms of contraception. Maybe you can help me identify some. |
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| Berton | Jan 4 2014, 02:22 PM Post #83 |
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It looks to me like it is benefiting the people who do not believe in contraceptives regardless of religion. Why do you think it is benefiting a religion rather than people? |
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| Banandangees | Jan 4 2014, 08:54 PM Post #84 |
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Again, in the words of our former Sec. of State, "Hillary Clinton," "What difference does it make"? If Catholicism is the only religion that opposes the mandatory inclusion of contraception as being against their religious beliefs, they have that right to exercise their "call" of separation of church and state. And again, apparently this particular judge feels that there is some merit to that "call." Your argument should be with that judge. Ms. Fluke has several options. She can provide her own contraception or attend/work for another institution that has a desire to include contraception in its health insurance coverage. She's not locked into her situation. She must live with her choices when there are alternatives and not expect the tax payer to pay for her bad choices or force mandatory inclusions on institutions that have a religious Constitutional right to exclude. |
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| Mountainrivers | Jan 4 2014, 09:41 PM Post #85 |
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Same ole BS from the right wing. Ms. Fluke hasn't asked anybody, but those who would be covered by birth control, to pay for it. She simply asked that contraception be included in the insurance policies she and others are paying for. |
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| Mountainrivers | Jan 4 2014, 09:48 PM Post #86 |
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People who work in the health care business, specifically hospitals, aren't able to just quit and go to work at another hospital because, in most cases, the other hospitals are also owned by the Catholic church. I would have no problem with the church rejecting contraception or anything else it feels violates its beliefs, but I would also not pay them for anything that is paid for by the public at large. I think, contrary to Mike's comments that the churches motive is altruistic, the motive is financial. They have discovered many ways to make huge amounts of money through businesses, not religion, by being able to claim non-profit status and thus, paying no taxes. It's a scam, imo. As is the concept of tithing and passing the collection plate at every opportunity.
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| colo_crawdad | Jan 4 2014, 10:45 PM Post #87 |
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I do find it amazing, no, hypocritical, for folks to favor a concern over contraception over the PROTECTION AGAINST LIFE-THREATENING CANCER. JMHO
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| colo_crawdad | Jan 5 2014, 01:08 AM Post #88 |
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Just wondering. What re some of those non-Catholic institutions that oppose the use of contraception? |
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| Banandangees | Jan 5 2014, 03:52 AM Post #89 |
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"Law Center student Sandra Fluke petitioned the university to change its health insurance policy to include coverage for contraception for three years prior to addressing the issue before the House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee in 2012". MR, can you show that Ms Fluke, who was a 3rd law student at Georgetown University when she addressed the US senate, was paying anything for her University provided healthcare insurance or was it included in her grant in aide? |
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| Banandangees | Jan 5 2014, 03:57 AM Post #90 |
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MR, can you show that most hospitals in the US are owned by the Catholic Church as you say? Your total post here is your opinion, not to mention absurd in terms of "payment for services." |
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