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Solar Power isn't Feasible
Topic Started: Dec 30 2013, 12:31 AM (2,235 Views)
tomdrobin
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Jan 1 2014, 04:02 AM
You need to try and comprehend what you read Tom.
Says the man who claims libs declared no new taxes under Obamcare, but wait that was Bush I, read my lips dummie. :teeth:
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Neutral
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Bush had nothing to do with Obicare stupid. I guess you're trying to divert now.
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tomdrobin
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Jan 1 2014, 04:18 AM
Bush had nothing to do with Obicare stupid. I guess you're trying to divert now.
It went right over you head. Do I have to explain it?

A famous quote from Bush I, "read my lips, no new taxes".

BTW no one said that about Obamacare, not libs, not Obama.
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I know what Bush said, duh.
I know what you libs said about Obicare and taxes too. Go back and look.
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Libs and Obama said it wasn't going to raise the deficit. Your claim they said no new taxes is incorrect. Still sticking with it? Man you are stubborn.
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You can't even follow your own posts. lol
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tomdrobin
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Arguing with Nuet. It's like wrestling with a pig. You both get really dirty, and the pig loves it. neener
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Jan 1 2014, 04:51 AM
Arguing with Nuet. It's like wrestling with a pig. You both get really dirty, and the pig loves it. neener
Neut's idea of an argument is making one or two meaningless comments. On this thread alone, he posted 14 one-liners and 7 two liners, none of which contributed anything to the argument.
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Be gentle prodding Neut with too much truth, guys - he's still a Virgin.
Edited by Brewster, Jan 1 2014, 05:14 AM.
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Jan 1 2014, 02:24 AM
As close as I can discern, of those posting to this topic...Joe, Corky and myself are the only members who have switched to solar power.

My system generates nearly 8KW of power, it powers the home, the outbuildings on the property and the building on the adjacent property. The company that provides power for our county, Valley Electric Co-op has raised the electrical rates from 7 cents per KWH to nearly 10 with the projection to be near 12 by 2015. My system eliminates any threat of power outages. as there is back up battery storage and a 10KW diesel generator. If I need additional power the system is expandable. We also have energy efficient appliances as well as lighting. The next project is to switch to LED lighting.

Our country experiences brownouts and total outages on a regular basis. During summer months even with computer run grids.. the draw exceeds capacity. Adding more electrical capacity requires a lengthy permitting process, as well as agreements for right of ways, so the Forecast is for outages and brownouts to increase, and there are no rapid electrical power plant infrastructure being readily available to take up the slack.

The latest global temperature forecast is for a 7.2 F increase by 2100. That forecast was just doubled as scientists evaluated actual rates thus replacing forecasts. The affect this will have on electrical production in the west is staggering. Once plentiful snow packs are now a thing of the past and will only get worse. The fight over water for agriculture, human consumption and power production will be a bloodbath. Do you want power for the home, water for food production, or water to drink?

The communities that adapt now will be the communities least affected a population growth and climate change goes forward. For those who tout negative resource material as a key to judging whether solar or wind power should be embraces..I suggest strongly that you expand your vision and while doing so, discuss this with those who have experience with off grid systems.
How much experience do you have in running the national electrical gird Mike? That is what this information is about and how Solar hurts it and drives up costs. You might want to read about it and learn something.

"The severe output swings have even reached the point where Germany’s grid physically cannot operate without relying on neighboring countries to soak up the variability. The ramp-down of solar output in the evening happens faster than the rest of Germany’s generation capacity can ramp-up. (Massive power plants can’t change output very quickly.) Which either means blackouts as people get home from work, or using non-solar-powered neighbors as buffers. Here’s one day’s generation profile for German solar power, showing how net electricity imports/exports are forced to oscillate back and forth to smooth out the swings in production:

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If Germany’s neighbors also had as many solar panels, they would all be trying to export and import at the same time, and the system would fall apart. The maximum capacity of the entire EU grid to utilize solar power is therefore much lower than the level reached by individual countries like Germany and Spain.

Solar boosters often say people need to shift their energy consumption habits to match generation, instead of making generation match consumption. That’s feasible, to an extent — perhaps 20% of power consumption can be time-shifted, mostly by rescheduling large consumers currently operating at night like aluminum electrosmelters. But modern civilization revolves around a particular work/sleep schedule, and you can’t honestly expect to change that. People aren’t going to give up cooking and TV in the evening, or wait three hours after the sun goes down to turn on the lights. And weekends have radically different consumption profiles from weekdays.

It all adds up. PV solar output doesn’t properly sync up with power demand. That severely limits the maximum percentage of our electricity needs it can provide. Germany hit that limit at about 4%. They are now finding out what happens when you try to push further."

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