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Solar Power isn't Feasible
Topic Started: Dec 30 2013, 12:31 AM (2,232 Views)
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I know, Colo likes to play his dumb games.
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Did Neut admit that he could not find the link?
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Brewster
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If I was posting a BS piece of trash like Berton did, I wouldn't put in a link either.

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Berton
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I am really surprised that Brewster, the self proclaimed expert which he gained by reading, is unable to read the link. Oh well, on with the lesson.

"Issue 4: The kicker

The category for “biomass” power you see in all these charts is actually firewood being burned in coal plants. 38% of Germany’s “renewable energy” comes from chopping down forests and importing wood from other countries. [28] Effing firewood, like we’re back in the Middle Ages or something. Due to overzealous renewables targets, and a quirk in the EU carbon pricing system that considers firewood carbon-neutral, Europe is chopping down forests at an alarming rate to burn them as “renewable biomass.” The environmental movement has spent most of the last 200 years of industrialization trying to fight deforestation, and that noble goal has been reversed in an instant by bogus carbon emission calculations.

In the very long run, over 100 years or so, firewood is close to carbon neutral because you can regrow the trees and they absorb CO2 as they grow. Unfortunately, using firewood for fuel destroys a living carbon sink and releases all its carbon to the atmosphere right now. When you consider that you’re destroying a carbon sink as well as releasing stored carbon, firewood is actually much worse than coal for many decades thereafter. [28] The next few decades is humanity’s most critical time for reducing carbon emissions, so this policy is mind-boggling lunacy.

Germany is so focused on meeting renewables targets that it is willing to trample the environment to get there. They’ve managed to make renewables unsustainable! It’s tragicomic."

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Again, a direct quotation with no indication from whence it came. SOP

Oh yeah, there is probably somewhere in this thread a link to some source that might be the source of that quoted material. :sarcasim:
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Berton
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Is Colo_crawdad, the new poster child for childish behavior on this board, still trying to tell others how they must post?

"To summarize: Energiewende is the worst possible example of how to implement an energy transition. The overzealous push for the wrong generation technology has hurt citizens, businesses, and the environment all at the same time.

I want to make it clear that I’m not saying we should abandon solar. It should definitely be part of our generation mix. Due a mix of bad climate and bad policy, Germany ran into problems at a very low solar penetration, and other countries will be able to reach higher penetrations. But even if we ignore cost, there is still a maximum practical limit to solar power based on the realities of grid management.

You can’t build more PV solar than the rest of the grid can ramp up/down to accept. The necessary grid storage for large-scale solar power is a “maybe someday” technology, not something viable today. Calls for 50% of power to come from solar in our lifetimes are a fantasy, and we need to be realistic about that.
You can’t force utilities to buy unneeded power just because it’s renewable. The energy and materials to build the excess capacity just goes to waste. That is the opposite of green.

We have to learn those lessons. We can’t sweep this failure under the rug.

Every time a renewables advocate holds Germany up as a shining beacon, they set back the credibility of the environmental movement. It’s unsupported by reality and I think even gives ammunition to the enemy. We have to stop praising Germany’s Energiesheiße and figure out better ways to implement renewables. Other models should work better. They have to — the future of the world depends on it."
Edited by Berton, Jan 1 2014, 11:29 PM.
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I think it would be nice if we all showed some intellectual integrity and honesty. That would include identifying from whence come direct quotes. That would avoid plagiarizing.
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I bet Colo_crawdad, the poster child for childish behavior on this board, is still trying to tell others how they should post. I wonder who made him an administrator?

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And the insults from Berton, who claims to have me on ignore, goe on and on and on and on. Nothing has changed. NOTHING!
Edited by colo_crawdad, Jan 1 2014, 11:50 PM.
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I wonder what Colo_crawdad is whining about now? Oh well, never mind, it is time to complete the lesson with a list of links to the sources used in the article. All 29 of them.

"[1] Solar power by country
[2] Germany’s Energy Poverty: How Electricity Became a Luxury Good – SPIEGEL ONLINE
[3] German ‘green revolution’ may cost 1 trillion euros – minister
[4] Global Warming Targets and Capital Costs of Germany’s ‘Energiewende’
[5] Germany’s ‘Energiewende’ – the story so far
[6] Germany: Coal Power Expanding, Green Energy Stagnating
[7] Merkel’s Blackout: German Energy Plan Plagued by Lack of Progress – SPIEGEL ONLINE
[8] Merkel’s Green Shift Backfires as German Pollution Jumps
[9] Capacity factor, Price per watt
[10] German Solar Installations Coming In at $2.24 per Watt Installed, US at $4.44
[11] It Keeps Getting Cheaper To Install Solar Panels In The U.S.
[12] Germany Breaks Monthly Solar Generation Record, ~6.5 Times More Than US Best
[13] Germany and Renewables Market Changes (source link in original article is broken, here is an updated link:http://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp…)
[14] Cost of German Solar Is Four Times Finnish Nuclear — Olkiluoto Nuclear Plant, Plagued by Budget Overruns, Still Beats Germany’s Energiewende
[15] 313 MWp German PV Capacity Added in July 2013 – 34.5 GWp Total
[16] EEG Account: 5,907 GWh of Renewable Energy in August Sold for EUR 37.75 at Expenses of EUR 399.52 per MWh – EUR 540 Million Deficit
[17] Germany will dilute – not abandon – its Energiewende plan
[18] German power exports more valuable than its imports
[19] Ryan Carlyle’s answer to Solar Energy: How large would an array of solar panels have to be to power the continental US? How much would such an array cost to build? And what are the major engineering obstacles to powering the US this way?
[20] Electricity demand response shows promise in Germany
[21] Energiewende in Germany and Solar Energy
[22] Problems with Renewables and the Markets
[23] Ryan Carlyle’s answer to Society: What are some policies that would improve millions of lives, but people still oppose?
[24] Stephen Frantz’s answer to Nuclear Energy: What is a nuclear supporter’s response to the Fukushima disaster?
[25] Fukushima Cancer Fears Are Absurd
[26] Evacuation ‘Fukushima’ deadlier then radiation
[27] Was It Better to Stay at Fukushima or Flee?
[28] The fuel of the future
[29] Fowl Play: how the utility industry’s ability to outsmart a duck will define the power grid of the 21st century"

If you want to check the links you will have to open the link to the original link I posted which Fr. Mike found so easily but which some seem to have a reading block in finding it.

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