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| The Truth About Some Right Wing Myths; Being Spread About US Public Education | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 29 2013, 07:37 AM (424 Views) | |
| Banandangees | Dec 29 2013, 11:23 PM Post #21 |
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"Ban, The answers to your last question are given in the Video. " But it seems to me that, at the end, the "answers" are quite simplified. I don't know if China is figured in the study (or what ever), but if they are, are ALL children being figured in, even the peasants out in the extreme rural areas? Of the European schools and Canada, are the demographics the same, are the immigrations rates and regulations the same. Are the entitlement programs the same, regulated the same and officiated the same? Do other nations tolerate poor teachers and are the numbers of "poor" teachers the same per population? Is the parenting the same? Our country, at one time, lead most all nations in quality of education. It has been posted that in the 1800 a six grader knew as much about our nation and basic educational teachings as does the average 12th grader today. Do other nations have as many teacher strikes during education months as does the US (I don't know). I think the video was designed with an agenda (biased). I don't think it's a definitive "study" by any means. Very simplistic. Do I put the blame on individual teachers as a whole? No I don't. I had great teachers. But maybe it's where I grew up. Do I put the blame on not enough money thrown at education in total? Not at all. I think we've (the fed, state and local) spent much on education. Are teaching methods satisfactory, and non-biased? Are the educational tools (books and teachings) unbiased? In our local school system in the past (which at one time was a great system; my son has a masters degree in Chem. Eng., meaning he had a great foundation to begin college). The last two years of my granddaughters schooling, the kids were not allowed to bring books home to study... they were to rely on their notes from lectures. How do parents help them without knowing what their books are saying? Has there been a shift in teaching methods that have improved rather than impeded learning? Discipline in schools and teachers abilities to control classrooms, have changed drastically since most of us were students. Political correctness has played a negative part IMO. Changing "reward awards" have changed so as to "even out the success" to prevent feelings of inferiority. Except for sports activities, much competitiveness has been reduced, again, to even things out. Too much emphasis has been given to "evening things out." That's fine, except when you're competing with the world and their standards of competitiveness are not the same as yours. Edited by Banandangees, Dec 29 2013, 11:24 PM.
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| Pat | Dec 30 2013, 06:31 AM Post #22 |
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It was an explanation but not necessarily on target. The other day I posted about the ghetto base high school in which Jon Kitna is a math teacher. The kids were saying that they had no help at home and some were told to quit studying and get out and deal drugs. The so called professional teachers at the school gave up on these kids and told Jon he was wasting his time. What really happened was he with little experience, found a way to solve that riddle and the kids at the end of the year were 2nd best in the school. I think with the state of public education that there needs to be a reform of how we teach kids and who we have teaching them. I think we should jettison hiring young teacher sin favor of hiring retired professionals from the community. People in the community who the community looks up to, people like Jon. We don't have a resource problem we have a failed business plan, the plan was to educate our kids and the plan is failing. |
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| colo_crawdad | Dec 30 2013, 06:59 AM Post #23 |
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Pat, Do you classify Jon Kitna as even a "so called professional? As to some answers to what you say, the video was directly on target suggesting more time for teachers to plan and work with parents as well as with students. Those "so called professionals" you mentioned only gave up given the kind of support they are given by society in terms of time and materials for the economically poor. You are correct, SOME of our students need different methods employed in teaching than do others. SOME even need preschool experience which is sorely lacking in the poorer economic situations. In some post, you mentioned, Pat, that there is a need for books to be sent home with students for homework and help by parents. The video specifically noted that as a problem. No, Pat, I think you are just wrong. The video was specifically on target. Of course, it did not address some of the right wing anti-public school spin that you have so willingly accepted about what happens in public schools. That is only your problem. Edited by colo_crawdad, Dec 30 2013, 07:18 AM.
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| Neutral | Dec 30 2013, 07:23 AM Post #24 |
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The video was clearly teacher and left wing propaganda. Union made and supported by another union. |
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| Berton | Dec 30 2013, 07:25 AM Post #25 |
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With no information where or how it got it's stats. |
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| colo_crawdad | Dec 30 2013, 07:37 AM Post #26 |
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If you are claiming the facts in the video are false, Bert, I guess you had b est provide some correct ones. I don't really expect you to do so at this point. Had you had any available facts that might argue with the facts presented in the video, I am sure we would have seen them by now. That is, unless as usual, you are again just playing games.
Edited by colo_crawdad, Dec 30 2013, 09:45 AM.
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| Berton | Dec 30 2013, 09:32 AM Post #27 |
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I am not Pat but I am pointing out the obvious. There is no back up or way to back up the data presented in the video. That is factual. Something you would call propaganda or worse if it came from a right wing source. |
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| colo_crawdad | Dec 30 2013, 09:37 AM Post #28 |
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No contradictory "facts" available, Berton? why am I not surprised? I think a guy named Moolah used phrase: "all hat and no cows." |
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| Berton | Dec 30 2013, 09:51 AM Post #29 |
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With no facts presented in the video to contradict it is a bit difficult I will admit. |
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| Neutral | Dec 30 2013, 09:51 AM Post #30 |
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You posted left wing garbage Colo with nothing to even tell us about the garbage; now that is all hat and no cattle. |
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