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Should hose identified as mentally Ill be involuntary committed; when they have committed mo crime?
Topic Started: Dec 24 2013, 10:46 AM (615 Views)
BUCK
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In California one of the big institutional hospitals was the Camarillo state mental hospital. Reagan as Governor closed it, and most of the patients wound up on the skid row of downtown Los Angeles. I think he should have left well enough alone. Big problem for law enforcement, Ken should know.
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Colo,

Suicide is not a crime. The crime is if you assist someone committing suicide. Thinking about harming people is not a crime. Everyone does it. The difference is that the mentally ill person acts out his thoughts.

Seriously take a tour of a mental health hospital. The people there are a danger to others and/pr themselves. They aren't there for smoking, drinking, or being different. Society has a right to be protected and by holding them we are protecting both the individual and society.
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colo_crawdad
Dec 25 2013, 09:57 PM
So, Tom, let's lock everybody up who has a dependence on nicotine, alcohol or other drug. Let's also lock everybody up who "we" don't think are "functional" in our society. Let's attempt to force behavior changes on any of those who we do not understand or with whom we disagree . :sarcasim:
I do not think so, but do have a Merry Christmas!
Of course that would be the easy way, albiet not very socially acceptable. We could invest a lot more in mental health treatment, including substance abuse. Along with the decriminalization of drug use.
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tomdrobin
Dec 26 2013, 11:18 AM
colo_crawdad
Dec 25 2013, 09:57 PM
So, Tom, let's lock everybody up who has a dependence on nicotine, alcohol or other drug. Let's also lock everybody up who "we" don't think are "functional" in our society. Let's attempt to force behavior changes on any of those who we do not understand or with whom we disagree . :sarcasim:
I do not think so, but do have a Merry Christmas!
Of course that would be the easy way, albiet not very socially acceptable. We could invest a lot more in mental health treatment, including substance abuse. Along with the decriminalization of drug use.
I cannot disagree with that.
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Mental institutions are less expensive then the ER for those who can't cope with life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/26/health/er-costs-for-mentally-ill-soar-and-hospitals-seek-better-way.html?hpw&rref=us&_r=0
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A question concerning involuntary incarceration for attempted suicide. Since attempting suicide is not longer considered a criminal offense of any kind anywhere in the United States, why would we presume we could involuntarily commit or an extended time a person who has attempted suicide or whom we consider a threat to himself/herself? I am assuming the individual is legally an adult.
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colo_crawdad
Dec 25 2013, 07:34 AM
I can see keeping one incarcerated for more than 72 hours only if they are charged with having committed a crime and are awaiting a speedy trial and the involuntary incarceration is intended to keep them from hurting themselves or others while awaiting the trial. Otherwise,the commitment should be only by the voluntary action of the person. I really want to avoid the detention of political prisoners using the ruse of a subjective jedgment of mental illness.
I agree with you.
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Sandy Hook Investigation Portrays Boy Who Changed

Documents Include More Than 1,000 Pages About the Massacre That Killed 26


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Adam Lanza, who killed 20 students and six adults at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., last year, turned from a happy child into a disturbed teen who could not feel for his own mother, according to documents released by Connecticut state police Friday.

However, the documents did little to reveal the motive behind the shooter's actions.

The massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School ended when the assailant committed suicide. Earlier that day, he fatally shot his mother, Nancy Lanza, in their nearby home.

The documents' release follows a report issued by prosecutors in November that concluded that Mr. Lanza, 20 years old, was obsessed with mass murders, including the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School in Colorado.

The documents included a summary of an interview with Peter Lanza, the father of Adam. In the summary, the father said that Adam at the age of 8 or 9 years old told him that "he loved being a kid." When Adam reached the age of 11 or 12, his father said he noticed a change in his son's demeanor, noting that Adam seemed less happy, though he didn't show signs of aggression.

Police also interviewed friends of Adam. One recounted their friend's fascination with the arcade game, "Dance Dance Revolution" and with chimpanzee society, and that Adam said pedophilia needed to be treated as a disease and "not looked at as evil."

A lifelong friend of Adam's mother told investigators that Mrs. Lanza said that in the weeks leading up to the shooting, Adam had become "increasingly despondent," according to the documents.

At one point, the friend told authorities, Mrs. Lanza said she had asked Adam if he would "feel bad if anything happened to her." His answer was no, according to the friend.

Many of the documents, videos and photographs—including those of the crime scene and autopsy records—were redacted by law-enforcement officials.

Several police officers and state troopers described finding 11 deceased children and two adults inside a bathroom within a classroom. One investigator said multiple bullet holes to the room's walls and windows were visible. "My initial entry into this room was overwhelming as I recall myself saying, 'Oh my god,' " he wrote.

Mental-health and school records for Adam Lanza were among the records redacted.

However, Harold Schwartz, psychiatrist-in-chief at Hartford Hospital's Institute of Living and a member of the state's Sandy Hook Advisory Commission, said it was in the public's interest to know these details.

"The commission is looking to how to get these records made available to us," Dr. Schwartz said.]quote]
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