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New CNN poll looking grim as far as Obamacare goes
Topic Started: Dec 24 2013, 05:23 AM (364 Views)
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There are a few previous examples that I can recall, where a presidents actions paved the way for his party to lose the Whitehouse during the next general election. Truman's handling of Korean conflict. Johnson's handling of Vietnam. Nixon and his handling of the Watergate break in. Carter and his handling of the Iran hostage crisis and economy. Bush Jr. and his handling of Iraq. Each time the party in power lost big. Presidents are held accountable by voters, the buck really does stop at their desk.

There is nothing more important to each of us than our health. The mishandling of the roll out and the lies that precluded both the congressional vote for the law, and the time between then and now, amplify Obama and the democrat's problems. Obama would not have been re-elected had the electorate known that he was lying to them about healthcare or how incompetent and overreaching the law truly is.

Nobody would argue that we don't have a problem in controlling healthcare costs, and helping the least among us with healthcare. The breadth and scope of this law was not the answer, it started of on bad footing right out of the chute, when the president over estimated his liberal mandate by offering up a European style single payer plan. He then blew through all of his presidential capital in muddling through this abomination. He wanted something, anything at that point and got it. This is his baby let no mistake be made about that. He and his team took the law and rolled out what is beginning to look like one of the biggest if not the biggest bait and switch fiascos in modern times.

As 2014 unfolds Americans just don't believe the law is a good thing, and fear just how badly it will be for them.

You can only fumble so many times in a game before the coach benches you, in the past month there have been a number of fumbles with the latest being today. I think even the staunchest liberal will soon if not already, come to the conclusion that it is better to leave the field of battle and surrender on this one, than face total annihilation at the polls next November.. Their bean counters and staff know what is going down and it's their jobs along with their bosses if they don't take action. Sure, the likes of Pelosi and Schumer will truck on in support. They are in safe districts and can politically afford to.

As for Obama, his legacy is set in cement, he may very well have cost the party immigration reform, as republicans calculate whether to allow a vote on the current legislation, or possibly better yet, run next year on their own immigration reform platform. One they believe is merciful to the deserving and not for others who gamed the situation. We'll see on that one. And that would send the Latino community into an absolute meltdown directed towards Obama. He promised them. Yes he promised a lot, he promised hope and change and I don't think anybody envisioned a nightmare would be what he was really talking about. And nightmare it is.

Obama can forget about any cooperation on other legislation, he can't be trusted, is a known liar, and deserves isolation and a dunce hat in the corner.


New CNN Poll looking grim for Obama

On the very last day to sign up for ObamaCare before the end of the year, President Obama and his signature piece of legislation received more bad news via a sympathetic media outlet. A new CNN poll shows that support for ObamaCare has collapsed to just 35%, a new record low for this poll and a five-point drop in just 30 days. Opposition sits at a whopping 62%.
The recent fallout is almost exclusively among women. While men's opinion of ObamaCare remained unchanged, opposition among women climbed six points, from 54% to 60%. Last week, the White House launched a campaign aimed directly at moms.

While 43% oppose the law saying it is too liberal and 15% oppose it because it is not liberal enough, a huge majority of 63% believe ObamaCare will increase their personal health care costs. Only 16% of those polled believe ObamaCare will help them; 52% fear they will be worse off.

The progressive media have been taking solace in the fact that some of the ObamaCare opposition is based on the fact that people don’t believe the law goes far enough. But if you have 63% fearing it will increase their costs and only 16% believing ObamaCare will help them, that has to be cold comfort.

And "not liberal enough" is looking awfully subjective when 54% of Democrats now want ObamaCare delayed for a full year.

ObamaCare's public relations problems are apparently bleeding over into the very real problem of enrollments. A full-court publicity blitz from the government and media has pretty much flopped. ObamaCare is way behind on enrollments and likely even further behind than that.

Neither the White House nor the media are reporting the real enrollment numbers. You have to pay your premium to actually be enrolled. The enrollment numbers being reported are in reality those who have simply selected a health care plan, or placed it in their shopping cart.

Online studies show that shopping cart abandonment rates can top 60%.


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Dec 24 2013, 05:23 AM
There are a few previous examples that I can recall, where a presidents actions paved the way for his party to lose the Whitehouse during the next general election. Truman's handling of Korean conflict. Johnson's handling of Vietnam. Nixon and his handling of the Watergate break in. Carter and his handling of the Iran hostage crisis and economy. Bush Jr. and his handling of Iraq. Each time the party in power lost big. Presidents are held accountable by voters, the buck really does stop at their desk.

There is nothing more important to each of us than our health. The mishandling of the roll out and the lies that precluded both the congressional vote for the law and the time between then and now amplify Obama and the democrats problems. Obama would not have been re-elected had the electorate known that he was lying to them about healthcare or how incompetent and overreaching the law truly is.

Nobody would argue that we don't have a problem in controlling healthcare costs and helping the least among us with healthcare. The breadth and scope of this law was not the answer, it started of on bad footing right out of the chute, when the president over estimated his liberal mandate by offering up a European style single payer plan. He then blew through all of his presidential capital in muddling through this abomination. He wanted something, anything at that point and got it. This is his baby let no mistake be made about that. He and his team took the law and rolled out what is beginning to look like one of the biggest if not the biggest bait and switch fiascos in modern times.

As 2014 unfolds Americans just don't believe the law is a good thing, and fear just how badly it will be for them.

You can only fumble so many times in a game before the coach benches you, in the past month there have ben a number of fumbles with the latest being today. I think even the staunchest liberal will soon if not already, come to the conclusion that it is better to leave the field of battle and surrender on this one, than face total annihilation at the polls next November.. Their bean counters and staff knows what is going down and it Just their jobs along with their bosses if they don't take action. Sure, the likes of Pelosi and Schumer will truck on in support. They are in safe districts and can politically afford to.

As for Obama, his legacy is set in cement, he may very well have cost the party immigration reform as republicans calculate whether to allow a vote on the current legislation, or possibly better yet, run next year on their own immigration reform platform. One they believe is merciful to the deserving and not for others who gamed the situation. We'll se on that one. And that would send the Latino community into an absolute meltdown directed towards Obama. He promised them. Yes he promised a lot, he promised hope and change and I don't think anybody envisioned a nightmare would be what he was really talking about. And nightmare it is.

Obama can forget about any cooperation on other legislation, he can't be trusted, is a known liar, and deserves isolation and a dunce hat in the corner.


New CNN Poll looking grim for Obama

On the very last day to sign up for ObamaCare before the end of the year, President Obama and his signature piece of legislation received more bad news via a sympathetic media outlet. A new CNN poll shows that support for ObamaCare has collapsed to just 35%, a new record low for this poll and a five-point drop in just 30 days. Opposition sits at a whopping 62%.
The recent fallout is almost exclusively among women. While men's opinion of ObamaCare remained unchanged, opposition among women climbed six points, from 54% to 60%. Last week, the White House launched a campaign aimed directly at moms.

While 43% oppose the law saying it is too liberal and 15% oppose it because it is not liberal enough, a huge majority of 63% believe ObamaCare will increase their personal health care costs. Only 16% of those polled believe ObamaCare will help them; 52% fear they will be worse off.

The progressive media have been taking solace in the fact that some of the ObamaCare opposition is based on the fact that people don’t believe the law goes far enough. But if you have 63% fearing it will increase their costs and only 16% believing ObamaCare will help them, that has to be cold comfort.

And "not liberal enough" is looking awfully subjective when 54% of Democrats now want ObamaCare delayed for a full year.

ObamaCare's public relations problems are apparently bleeding over into the very real problem of enrollments. A full-court publicity blitz from the government and media has pretty much flopped. ObamaCare is way behind on enrollments and likely even further behind than that.

Neither the White House nor the media are reporting the real enrollment numbers. You have to pay your premium to actually be enrolled. The enrollment numbers being reported are in reality those who have simply selected a health care plan, or placed it in their shopping cart.

Online studies show that shopping cart abandonment rates can top 60%.


The problem, imo, is not that Obama has lied or that the law won't work, but that it wasn't explained to the people in a way they could understand. As Pat says, the people are just too stupid to understand something as complex as the ACA without someone holding their hand and leading them through it. If people knew that implementation of universal, single payer would reduce the amount of taxpayer money we spend on administration, emergency room visits, insurance company profits, and drug company profits, and if they knew it was conservatives that killed any possibility of achieving that, they would toss all those folks out of office. You guys who claim to know what will happen in the next election are just blowing smoke out your arse.
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Maybe Obi thought the people were too stupid as MR does but they have proven they aren't. People many times do not pay attention but when you are talking about their money they do indeed pay attention and can spot a boondoggle such as this a mile away.
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Dec 24 2013, 05:46 AM
Maybe Obi thought the people were too stupid as MR does but they have proven they aren't. People many times do not pay attention but when you are talking about their money they do indeed pay attention and can spot a boondoggle such as this a mile away.
That is where we are now with this one. People enter the website, fall off their chair in shock, and then walk away from the computer leaving a plan if they selected it in the shopping car to gather cobwebs. Later over dinner the wife and husband say something like this---

"but I thought we were supposed to save $2,500 a year not take a $2,000 premium increase for less coverage" "I agree dear, the president said we would save $2,500 and we could keep our plan and doctors."---"then what happened honey?" -- "Well it is obvious dear, he lied to us and now we are screwed."
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A friend of mine just signed up his wife who has a pre-existing condition; over $13,000 in premium and deductible.
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Dec 24 2013, 06:05 AM
A friend of mine just signed up his wife who has a pre-existing condition; over $13,000 in premium and deductible.
Be nosy Neutral and ask him what they were paying before this law took affect. I think it would be interesting to see the true gravity of the situation. Most people can't absord a big premium increase no matter what they earn. They are in hock up to their eyeballs already.
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Sounds like a Neutral BS alert. The wife likely would not be able to buy any insurance prior to the ACA with a pre-existing condition. The only person I know who signed up is saving money.
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My SIL in Tampa just signed up - her husband had a recent heart attack.

He'd only had coverage because he's had it before, but his lifetime payments were about to max out, and get cancelled.

Not only were they able to get coverage, but they're paying half what they were before, and his deductible is 1/10 of what it was.

The Right Wing Echo chamber is finding all the one-in-ten-thousand cases, blowing them up, and Right Wingers are swallowing them hook, line, and sinker.
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Both are examples of who is signing up, both will most likely not pay enough premiums to cover the cost. Big problem that the libs want to ignore.
Pat, he didn't offer so I did not ask, I do know he was not happy at all.
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Democratic senator says Obamacare could have 'meltdown,' hurt party

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama's healthcare law could have a "meltdown" and make it difficult for his Democratic Party to keep control of the U.S. Senate next year if ongoing problems with the program are not resolved, a Democratic senator said on Sunday.
Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, who has urged delaying a penalty for people who do not enroll for health insurance in 2014 under the law, told CNN that a transitional year was needed for the complex healthcare program, commonly known as Obamacare, to work.
"If it's so much more expensive than what we anticipated and if the coverage is not as good as what we had, you've got a complete meltdown at that time," Manchin told CNN's "State of the Union" program.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/democratic-senator-says-obamacare-could-39-meltdown-39-172125028.html
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