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Highschool shooting victim dies
Topic Started: Dec 23 2013, 01:47 AM (1,113 Views)
Pat
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Were it not for the efforts of the left that resulted in court challenges and eventual changes in how this country deals with the mentally ill, then many of these school killings, mass killings and killings in general would have been prevented.
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Berton doesn't think 30,000 killings a year is enough...

Cheer up, Bertie, your country went over the 31,000 mark in 2010 and 2012, maybe you can do even better this year.

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Another personal attack by Brewster rather than add to the discussion.

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I have been intentionally quiet on this issue since the shooting at Arapahoe High School in Littleton, Colorado. I now wish to make several comments.

1. there is an irony in the fact that our laws dictate that a person is not mature enough to handle beer until age of 21 but one is considered mature enough to purchase a shotgun at the age of 18.

2. The day after the shooting, several of my students who had been i contact with the shooter were simply surprised and could not understand what possessed the young man. He was an exceptional student and had never been in trouble with either school authorities or police authorities. He was a student leader with outstanding academic achievements and grades. He had made a comment to the teacher inolved that he would "kill him." My students felt the comment was made in jest. But, school policies being what they are, the teacher was required to report the "threat" to school authorities. The student was suspended for a short time. The student was planning on attending the Air Academy and was aware that the Acadaemy would not accept anyone with a chool suspension on his/her record. That seemed to be the trigger.

3. My personal analysis. May young people today place themselves under an extreme amount of stress and pressure attempting to be "perfect." Sometimes this expectation comes from adults such as parents and teachers. Often the expectation is strictly self-imposed. Any pressures brought about by parents and teachers is usually unintentional and not known to those folks. But teenagers, being as immature as they sometimes are, still put the pressure on themselves. Sometimes they are unable to handle that pressure and snap. I think this is what happened to the shooter. Additional mental health care would not have affected the situation. There were no indications of mental illness prior to the shooter. I imagine those pro=gun advocates would agrree that his purchasing a shotgun and shells should not have been interpreted as any indication of mental illness.

Well, thanks for listening to someone rther close to the situation through his own students, including one who "cut" herself last week with no prior warnings of problems -- another "perfect" student who apparently could not handle the pressure to be "perfect. "

Do I have an easy answer? No. I do not think there is a simply and easy answer.
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Colo, I appreciate your post, this is how we learn from each other especially with experience on topics.
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I don't know about anyone else but i don't remember stuff like this happening in the 50's & 60's
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Brewster
Dec 23 2013, 08:15 AM
Berton doesn't think 30,000 killings a year is enough...

Cheer up, Bertie, your country went over the 31,000 mark in 2010 and 2012, maybe you can do even better this year.

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We've been over the 30,000 killings a year misleadings time and again. How often does the data have to be presented?
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Dec 23 2013, 02:14 PM
I don't know about anyone else but i don't remember stuff like this happening in the 50's & 60's

Kids (and young adults) seem to be exposed to so much more graphic negative behavior today, which has been progressive since the 50s. Now, it's in their face every day, from sexual stimuli to violence. Roy Rogers shot people but you never saw the blood. In the movie, "The Outlaw," sex was implied but never seen. There were little drugs to be had in the 50s, they became more common in the 60s and today it's everywhere. In my hometown area, the Williamsport area of Pa.... hometown of Little League Baseball... it was reported in the "Williamsport Sun Gazette" last week that heroin use is "out of control" in the area, brought in via the Interstate system from Philadelphia and has now become a hub for drug sales in central PA. The police say "it's a battle we are losing." Murders and crime has shot up in recent years. Morality was much more discrete in the 50s. There has been a "falling away" from religion and it's influence on morality. In the 50s there were "blue laws." More people were working, few were wealthy or strived to be "wealthy." People, in general, were more conservative in everything they did (not meaning political). There were plenty of guns in the 50s.... like in Canada now.... but the killings and crime, the pregnancies, the abortions, were considerably less.
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A possibility is the push in secondary schools to make sure our kids are "competitive" with other countries on tests of Math and Science. I recall reading in the past that those countries leading in those tests also have the highest teen suicide rate. Suppose there is any correlation between that pressure and teens killing themselves in this country? We suddenly act like every student is going to be a mathematicians or scientist and requires every more higher classes in those subjects in the secondary schools.
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So Colo if you have an inside track, why did this kid want to kill his debate coach?
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