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Topic Started: Dec 23 2013, 01:47 AM (1,109 Views)
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Sea Dog
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Dec 23 2013, 01:47 AM
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A real person, not a statistic. How many more must die before the rational people demand change?
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http://on.aol.com/video/claire-davis-dies-from-colo--school-shooting-injuries-518061672?playlist=144602&hp=1&icid=maing-grid7%7Cnetscape%7Cpopular-videos-5min-main%7Csec4_lnk1%7C417206
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Dec 23 2013, 01:52 AM
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- Sea Dog
- Dec 23 2013, 01:47 AM
Ain't gonna happen, Sea. We will just have to live with it.
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Sea Dog
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Dec 23 2013, 01:59 AM
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Ain't gonna happen, Sea. We will just have to live with it. Or die with it!
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Dec 23 2013, 02:47 AM
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Crazy Otterwa''
Crazy Toronto
Crazy Toronto police
No suspects yet
Toronto teen brings knife to a police gun fight. He loses.
Here I thought folks in Canada didn't have guns that jump up and kill other folks.... and that Canada police were like in GB, they only carried clubs.
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Dec 23 2013, 05:28 AM
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She is not the first and will not be the last. I noticed the links ban, but killing kids in schools is not a common occurence in this country. It has happened in Canada, but is not becoming an annual event as it appears to be down there.
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Dec 23 2013, 06:32 AM
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I just read this earlier, so sad. When you send your kids off to school you don't expect things like that to happen, but they do with increasing frequency. Remember the saying "going postal" after several shootings at post offices a few years back? Is the new catch phrase for insanity "going scholastic"?
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Banandangees
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Dec 23 2013, 07:02 AM
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For the killings in schools and other "mass killings," in the US, mental health has been an obvious factor. The guns are going to be there, just as they are in Canada, but here there is a much greater population and a much greater difference in demographics. That being said there is a history of children killings in Canada. It has happened there and it will again. Link
So much emphasis is put on the "guns of it all" and not enough on the mental health behind it.... and now, apparently, there will be even less opportunity/funding for getting treatment and/or awareness of potential issues.
For the Mentaly Ill, Finding Treatment Grows Harder
New health-care law may add to crunch for enough treatment
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tomdrobin
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Dec 23 2013, 07:13 AM
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and now, apparently, there will be even less opportunity/funding for getting treatment and/or awareness of potential issues.h treatment[/i] I'm hearing just the opposite.
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Michigan mental health services gear up for expansion
Changes in mental health coverage set to start in January under the federal Affordable Care Act will give millions of Americans greater access to mental health and substance abuse treatment — many for the first time.
At the same time, new rules announced last month for enforcing a 2008 parity law will bring relief to millions whose health insurance plans charged higher co-pays and deductibles for mental health and substance abuse treatment than for medical or surgical services, or otherwise restricted access to care.
Mental health experts are expecting an unprecedented increase in access to behavioral health services, and agencies are gearing up nationwide and in Michigan.
“This is opening new doors to mental health services,” said Dr. Michele Reid, medical director at Community Network Services in Oakland County, which recently hired four additional psychiatrists and opened a satellite office in Pontiac in anticipation of the changes. “You’re going to have a whole new set of people who can now get in earlier.”
Behavioral health services are included among 10 essential benefits that must be included in health insurance policies to comply with the Affordable Care Act. The services also will become available to millions of people nationwide who qualify for expanded Medicaid in 25 states, and the District of Columbia, which adopted the expansion. In Michigan, nearly half a million people will be added to the Medicaid rolls in April.
Federal officials last month announced a final rule on enforcement of the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008, expected to bring more equality to the way health insurance plans treat mental health and substance abuse treatment when it comes to co-pays, deductibles, visit limits and other aspects of coverage.
Michigan U.S. Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Lansing, who authored the Affordable Care Act’s provisions on behavioral health coverage, said the changes represent monumental progress. She would also like to see passage of her “Excellence in Mental Health Act,” which would provide Medicaid funding to highly qualified community mental health centers, just as federally qualified community health centers now receive Medicaid dollars to provide primary care.
“More than 62 million Americans will gain mental health and substance abuse coverage or see improved protections under health reform,” said Stabenow, who has been an advocate for the mentally ill because her father was bi-polar. “This is a watershed for mental health treatment. For the first time, treatment will be as accessible for health conditions above the neck as for health conditions below the neck.”
Grace Trigger, a 26-year-old college student from Shelby Township, spent nearly two years in long-term residential treatment for bi-polar disorder at Rose Hill Center in Oakland County. She lives independently and attends school, but the psychotherapy she needs to remain stable costs nearly $800 a week. She hopes the changes will reduce her bills to an amount she can pay on her own, without help from her father.
“My dad started covering the cost of my care when I was at Rose Hill,” Trigger said. “Even though it’s financially straining, he just continues doing it because he knows I really need it. I’ve done a lot of work on myself and I want to feel that I’m independent.”
Under the parity law, if a policy covers behavioral health services, that coverage must equal coverage for medical and surgical services within each of six classifications: inpatient in-network; outpatient in-network; inpatient out-of-network; outpatient out-of-network; emergency; and prescription drugs.
Co-pays, deductibles, coverage days or treatment limits can be no more restrictive than those that apply to “substantially” all medical/surgical benefits within the same classification, said David Shillcutt, a public health analyst for the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration.
“(Parity) requires that the way that the care gets managed for behavioral health is no more restrictive for behavioral health than for physical health,” Shillcutt said. “ ... and I’m talking about things like prior authorizations, determinations of medical necessity ... or other criteria that limit the scope of services provided under the plan.”
Rose Hill Center, near Holly, is nearing the final phase of a $2.5 million renovation and expansion prompted, in part, by the coming changes. President and CEO Ben Robinson said mental health professionals face the challenge of equipping patients and families with information they need to make wise decisions when they select plans on the Health Insurance Marketplace.
“There are four different levels of coverage, but the flip side of that is if they purchase a plan with a lower premium they may have higher deductibles and co-pays,” Robinson said. “It takes a little research, and since this is new it takes more than a little research. The least expensive plan on the health exchange may not be the least expensive for them in the long run.”
Andy Rogowski, 39, who has bi-polar disorder, said he was in and out of hospital psychiatric wards for six years before ending up at Rose Hill Center. He spent nine months as an inpatient there, plus another year in a transitional apartment on Rose Hill’s 400-acre property. Then he stayed in Holly for three years so he could continue seeing Dr. Lynne Lyons, Rose Hill’s medical director. Today, he lives in Ames, Iowa, where he’s working in a retail store while setting up his own agricultural business.
“You’re not going to be cured. It’s a treatment for life,” Rogowski said. “My biggest concern is how to help people who make these decisions (about mental health care) understand how expensive it is.
“In an ideal world there would be a lot of Rose Hills throughout the country for people with problems like mine, and for people like these kids shooting their teachers and other students.”
kbouffard@detroitnews.com (313) 222-2661
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131203/BIZ/312030024
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Banandangees
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Dec 23 2013, 07:44 AM
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I guess time will tell. One says there will be an increase in funding, the other suggests the amount of treatment may well be reduced. Will the patients receive more of the "increased funding" or will "management" receive increase pay and benefits.
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Berton
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Dec 23 2013, 07:55 AM
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- tomdrobin
- Dec 23 2013, 06:32 AM
I just read this earlier, so sad. When you send your kids off to school you don't expect things like that to happen, but they do with increasing frequency. Remember the saying "going postal" after several shootings at post offices a few years back? Is the new catch phrase for insanity "going scholastic"?
2012 is tragic, but mass shootings not increasing, experts say
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