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Democrats Prioritize Illegal Aliens Over Veterans
Topic Started: Dec 18 2013, 10:19 AM (1,413 Views)
colo_crawdad
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Pat
Dec 21 2013, 02:49 AM
campingken
Dec 21 2013, 02:33 AM
Pat,

How is it any different than someone who went to work for the auto industry or the city of Detroit 30 years ago and was promised specific retirement benefits? How about the retired pilots who saw their pensions drop from $150,000 to $40,000 a year? Personally I believe that promises should be honored but if some can be ignored than all can be.
I agree in principle Ken and it sounds like you are in my corner on this one. A promise is a promise. Maybe we need those lock boxes that are often discussed. Apparently it is fine to raid pension plans and blow money that should be budgeted for future benefit costs. Now that the anticipated retirement payout is a reality, our government and many private employers start the shuffle, the dance moves, and jive. Screw them, pay up, I don't care if they have to sell off public parks and aircraft carriers, pay up.
I ask again, pat, where, when, and by whom was that "promise" made?
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Where is the promise that we fund illegals?
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Pat
Dec 21 2013, 02:49 AM
campingken
Dec 21 2013, 02:33 AM
Pat,

How is it any different than someone who went to work for the auto industry or the city of Detroit 30 years ago and was promised specific retirement benefits? How about the retired pilots who saw their pensions drop from $150,000 to $40,000 a year? Personally I believe that promises should be honored but if some can be ignored than all can be.
I agree in principle Ken and it sounds like you are in my corner on this one. A promise is a promise. Maybe we need those lock boxes that are often discussed. Apparently it is fine to raid pension plans and blow money that should be budgeted for future benefit costs. Now that the anticipated retirement payout is a reality, our government and many private employers start the shuffle, the dance moves, and jive. Screw them, pay up, I don't care if they have to sell off public parks and aircraft carriers, pay up.

One big difference Pat. In this case the money is there but the Democrats decided to give it to ilegals instead.

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colo_crawdad
Dec 21 2013, 02:54 AM
Pat
Dec 21 2013, 02:49 AM
campingken
Dec 21 2013, 02:33 AM
Pat,

How is it any different than someone who went to work for the auto industry or the city of Detroit 30 years ago and was promised specific retirement benefits? How about the retired pilots who saw their pensions drop from $150,000 to $40,000 a year? Personally I believe that promises should be honored but if some can be ignored than all can be.
I agree in principle Ken and it sounds like you are in my corner on this one. A promise is a promise. Maybe we need those lock boxes that are often discussed. Apparently it is fine to raid pension plans and blow money that should be budgeted for future benefit costs. Now that the anticipated retirement payout is a reality, our government and many private employers start the shuffle, the dance moves, and jive. Screw them, pay up, I don't care if they have to sell off public parks and aircraft carriers, pay up.
I ask again, pat, where, when, and by whom was that "promise" made?
Under the terms of enlistment and as established by practice.
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Berton
Dec 21 2013, 03:03 AM
Pat
Dec 21 2013, 02:49 AM
campingken
Dec 21 2013, 02:33 AM
Pat,

How is it any different than someone who went to work for the auto industry or the city of Detroit 30 years ago and was promised specific retirement benefits? How about the retired pilots who saw their pensions drop from $150,000 to $40,000 a year? Personally I believe that promises should be honored but if some can be ignored than all can be.
I agree in principle Ken and it sounds like you are in my corner on this one. A promise is a promise. Maybe we need those lock boxes that are often discussed. Apparently it is fine to raid pension plans and blow money that should be budgeted for future benefit costs. Now that the anticipated retirement payout is a reality, our government and many private employers start the shuffle, the dance moves, and jive. Screw them, pay up, I don't care if they have to sell off public parks and aircraft carriers, pay up.

One big difference Pat. In this case the money is there but the Democrats decided to give it to ilegals instead.

I've heard that argument Berton and believe it is a reach. The bill funds some stuff and cuts others as in the case we are discussing. I think overall you have a point, where are the priorities?
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If the Democrats had gone along with the Republicans in plugging the hole which gives the illegals the money there would have been much more than was necessary to keep the retirees and disabled vets there pay.
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The democrats in congress don't believe in the rule of law, support amnesty for criminals, and down the line if they get their way, will push to give Medicare and social security for them at retirement age. I would like to know how they intend to fund all of this, oh wait, part of the answer is being discussed in this thread.
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Pat,

Didn't Reagan grant amnesty to criminals? The truth is that neither side is willing to tackle tough problems. They both make promises that can't be kept and kick the can down the road.

The American voter demands simple painless solutions that don't exist. The politician either has to state that he can meet this demand or tell the truth and lose to someone who is willing to tell the voters what they want to hear.
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Pat
Dec 21 2013, 03:04 AM
colo_crawdad
Dec 21 2013, 02:54 AM
Pat
Dec 21 2013, 02:49 AM
campingken
Dec 21 2013, 02:33 AM
Pat,

How is it any different than someone who went to work for the auto industry or the city of Detroit 30 years ago and was promised specific retirement benefits? How about the retired pilots who saw their pensions drop from $150,000 to $40,000 a year? Personally I believe that promises should be honored but if some can be ignored than all can be.
I agree in principle Ken and it sounds like you are in my corner on this one. A promise is a promise. Maybe we need those lock boxes that are often discussed. Apparently it is fine to raid pension plans and blow money that should be budgeted for future benefit costs. Now that the anticipated retirement payout is a reality, our government and many private employers start the shuffle, the dance moves, and jive. Screw them, pay up, I don't care if they have to sell off public parks and aircraft carriers, pay up.
I ask again, pat, where, when, and by whom was that "promise" made?
Under the terms of enlistment and as established by practice.
Can you quote me, with a credible link, the "promise" made in "the terms of enlistment?" As for "established practice," that sounds exactly like the PERA example I gave you.
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campingken
Dec 21 2013, 03:30 AM
Pat,

Didn't Reagan grant amnesty to criminals? The truth is that neither side is willing to tackle tough problems. They both make promises that can't be kept and kick the can down the road.

The American voter demands simple painless solutions that don't exist. The politician either has to state that he can meet this demand or tell the truth and lose to someone who is willing to tell the voters what they want to hear.
Can't argue with you on this one Ken. My concerns are generally founded in logic. How do we pay for extending benefits and rights to millions of people when we can't pay our present bills. The left seems to think it's all simple, just raise taxes. In my opinion, Ronald Reagan is more mythology than substance as a leader. When he gave amnesty there must not have been much study or reasoning. Any social scientist would have probably told him that by granting one batch it gave hope where none existed for the next. We now have the next representing by some estimated 15-18 million. And al the consequences. Once legalized, they will apply pressure on congress to grant medicare and social security even if the law does not provide for it. There are no simple answers, the simple answer of decision making ended when Reagan pulled the trigger.
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