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Democrats Prioritize Illegal Aliens Over Veterans
Topic Started: Dec 18 2013, 10:19 AM (1,410 Views)
Berton
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Dec 21 2013, 06:19 AM
Pat
Dec 21 2013, 06:15 AM
I wish when somebody here makes a statement that they at least back it up with a well reasoned argument. The one liners are killing me, wading through them trying to find somebody who actually has something to say.
Just put neut on ignore and that will solve your problem. :smile:

As though you haven't made plenty of them today. Why blame Neutral when you participate go willingly in them when you are insulting him so many times a day?

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Dec 21 2013, 06:21 AM
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Dec 21 2013, 06:15 AM
I wish when somebody here makes a statement that they at least back it up with a well reasoned argument. The one liners are killing me, wading through them trying to find somebody who actually has something to say.
Just put neut on ignore and that will solve your problem. :smile:

As though you haven't made plenty of them today. Why blame Neutral when you participate go willingly in them when you are insulting him so many times a day?

Aha! The caped crusader has arrived to save neut.
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Dec 21 2013, 03:41 AM
campingken
Dec 21 2013, 03:30 AM
Pat,

Didn't Reagan grant amnesty to criminals? The truth is that neither side is willing to tackle tough problems. They both make promises that can't be kept and kick the can down the road.

The American voter demands simple painless solutions that don't exist. The politician either has to state that he can meet this demand or tell the truth and lose to someone who is willing to tell the voters what they want to hear.
Can't argue with you on this one Ken. My concerns are generally founded in logic. How do we pay for extending benefits and rights to millions of people when we can't pay our present bills. The left seems to think it's all simple, just raise taxes. In my opinion, Ronald Reagan is more mythology than substance as a leader. When he gave amnesty there must not have been much study or reasoning. Any social scientist would have probably told him that by granting one batch it gave hope where none existed for the next. We now have the next representing by some estimated 15-18 million. And al the consequences. Once legalized, they will apply pressure on congress to grant medicare and social security even if the law does not provide for it. There are no simple answers, the simple answer of decision making ended when Reagan pulled the trigger.
Let me say some things about the current proposal for dealing with undocumented people living in the United States.

1. It does NOT propose granting amnesty to anyone.

2. Being here illegally is a misdemeanor crime.

3. Generally misdemeanor crimes are dealt with by the use of fines and suspended sentences.

4. The current proposal calla for sins and a period of approximately 15 years to achieve ctitizenship, a rather lengthy term of probation as happens with suspended sentences for other misdemeanor crimes.

5. The question becomes why should illegal rsidents suffer greater penalties than others convicted of misdemeanor crimes?
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Dec 21 2013, 06:34 AM
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Dec 21 2013, 06:15 AM
I wish when somebody here makes a statement that they at least back it up with a well reasoned argument. The one liners are killing me, wading through them trying to find somebody who actually has something to say.
Just put neut on ignore and that will solve your problem. :smile:

As though you haven't made plenty of them today. Why blame Neutral when you participate go willingly in them when you are insulting him so many times a day?

Aha! The caped crusader has arrived to save neut.

Argumentum ad hominem

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Dec 21 2013, 03:43 AM
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Dec 21 2013, 02:54 AM
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Dec 21 2013, 02:49 AM
campingken
Dec 21 2013, 02:33 AM
Pat,

How is it any different than someone who went to work for the auto industry or the city of Detroit 30 years ago and was promised specific retirement benefits? How about the retired pilots who saw their pensions drop from $150,000 to $40,000 a year? Personally I believe that promises should be honored but if some can be ignored than all can be.
I agree in principle Ken and it sounds like you are in my corner on this one. A promise is a promise. Maybe we need those lock boxes that are often discussed. Apparently it is fine to raid pension plans and blow money that should be budgeted for future benefit costs. Now that the anticipated retirement payout is a reality, our government and many private employers start the shuffle, the dance moves, and jive. Screw them, pay up, I don't care if they have to sell off public parks and aircraft carriers, pay up.
I ask again, pat, where, when, and by whom was that "promise" made?
Under the terms of enlistment and as established by practice.
Can you quote me, with a credible link, the "promise" made in "the terms of enlistment?" As for "established practice," that sounds exactly like the PERA example I gave you.
Yes Colo, I could spend hours researching hiring practices and quotes about promises made to enlisted people. But I won't. Let me know what you find, I'll stick with reason and logic.
Pat, do remember that conclusions arrived at through "logic and reasoning" based on false information are just as invalid as those reached through other than r"logic and reasoning." I provided a specific example of public employees and the lack of a "promise" or "guarantee" who had their COLAs frozen by the Government. Incidentally, many of those retirees were fire people and police persons who risked their lives daily in their service to us. What evidence have you used to base your "logic and reasoning" on? Apparently none that you are willing to share with the rest of us.
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Should I apologize for making my last to posts on topic? They do seem a bit out of place.
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Go back and look who went off topic on this thread, then look who threw insults, then look who wanted to make the thread an attack on myself and Berton.
IF you really get tired of reading it Pat why don't you enforce the rules and make them stop?
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Ignored post by Neutral · View Post · End Ignoring

Did Neut post something on topic, or did he just whine and make accusations about others? I am betting on the latter.
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Ignored post by Colo · View Post · End Ignoring
Did Colo post something on topic or did he continue with his childish game? I am betting the latter.
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Another ignored post bu Neut. I will bet it had absolutely nothing to do with the topic of the thread. But I doubt if I am missing anything of importance by ignoring his posts.
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