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Faux Pause: Warmest November On Record
Topic Started: Dec 17 2013, 02:25 AM (938 Views)
Brewster
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I think Berton's trying the ol' "If you throw enough sh*t at the wall, some of it's BOUND to stick" strategy...

Unfortunately for that strategy, no matter how much you throw, sh*t is still sh*t.
Edited by Brewster, Dec 17 2013, 10:42 PM.
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Again the libs attack members and the source, but we cons are the instigators. LOL
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Brewster
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Anything of any value to add to the discussion, Neut?

Or just more "poor me"?
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As I was saying about Brew. lol
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Berton
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Arctic sea ice withing a standard deviation of the 1981-2010 average line.

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I know what I read and saw in the article, and the research was done by scientists and backed by the National Science Foundation along with noted universities. You guys go ahead and post those graphs, I'll stick with what the scientists who study the region have to say. The next thing I'll read is an article posted here and a graph telling me there is snow on the ground outside my window. There isn't, trust me.
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Berton
Dec 18 2013, 12:26 AM
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Arctic sea ice withing a standard deviation of the 1981-2010 average line.

This id a year of higher sea ice extent just like 2012 was a year of lower sea ice extent. There are reasons for this, which if you actually did some research you would be aware of, however you have already demonstrated you are hardley interested in facts. But here is a hint, look at the sea ice trend over a few decades rather than just cherry picking years that are exceptional variations.

Here is a hint. If you took time to look at the whole picture, rather than selecting just the data you want, you would not come across looking so dumb. I am betting you did not do well in science lab in school since you seem to have no concept of scientific methodology.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=82094

After an unusually cool summer in the northernmost latitudes, Arctic sea ice appears to have reached its annual minimum extent on September 13, 2013. Analysis of satellite data by the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) showed that sea ice extent shrunk to 5.10 million square kilometers (1.97 million square miles).

The extent of sea ice this September is substantially greater than last year’s record low. On September 16, 2012, Arctic sea ice spread across just 3.41 million square kilometers (1.32 million square miles)—the smallest extent ever recorded by satellites and about half the average minimum from 1981 to 2010.

Though less Arctic sea ice melted in 2013 compared to 2012, this year’s total is the sixth lowest in the satellite record. This year continues a long-term downward trend of about 12 percent Arctic sea ice loss per decade since the late 1970s—a decline that accelerated after 2007.

Yes, I know NASA is a leftist organization made up of faux scientists. And, they faked a moon landing.
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The Arctic sea ice is within a standard deviation of the “normal” line, and global sea ice is actually above normal.

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Esa's Cryosat sees Arctic sea-ice volume bounce back

By Jonathan Amos Science correspondent, BBC News, San Francisco

The bounce back in the extent of sea ice in the Arctic this summer was reflected also in the volume of ice.

Data from Europe's Cryosat spacecraft suggests there were almost 9,000 cu km of ice at the end of this year's melt season.

This is close to 50% more than in the corresponding period in 2012.

It is a rare piece of good news for a region that has witnessed a rapid decline in both area cover and thickness in recent years.

Part of this stronger performance can be put down to the greater retention of older ice.

This is evident particularly around the Canadian archipelago and North Greenland, where there is much more two-year-old and three-year-old ice than in previous years.

"One of the things we'd noticed in our data was that the volume of ice year-to-year was not varying anything like as much as the ice extent - at least for the years 2010, 2011 and 2012," explained Rachel Tilling from the UK's Nerc Centre for Polar Observation and Modelling (CPOM).

"This is why we're really quite surprised by what we've seen in 2013.

"We didn't expect the greater ice extent left at the end of the summer melt to be reflected in the volume.

"But it has been. And the reason is related to the amount of multi-year ice in the Arctic."

Dr Don Perovich is a sea-ice expert at Dartmouth College, US.

He said Cryosat's data tallied with observations made by other spacecraft.

"In previous summers, some of the [multi-year ice] migrated over to the Alaska and Siberia areas where it melted. But this past summer, it stayed in place because of a change in wind patterns. And so there'll likely be more multi-year ice next year than there was this year," he told BBC News.

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Another good example of deceptive graphing

Lets look at that same graph where Watts has not airbrushed the averages & medians out. The guy is good at deception, if not science, and gullible Berton swallows it hook line & sinker.

It looks a little different and significance comes clearly into view.. If sea ice in 2014 goes back to record lows, as historical patterns suggest it will, if not 2014, then 2015, I wonder if Watts will be pointing it out? Not likely.

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Air brushed out? The actual data is always better than a average. I wonder why you do not want to use the actual data?

I wonder why you have nothing to say about the information from the BBC. Do you now consider it a "political" site? LOL

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