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How does this site look for being factual and unbiased on gun control?
Topic Started: Dec 16 2013, 08:16 AM (1,136 Views)
Sea Dog
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Pat, how many Australian schools have been invaded by gunmen during your visit?
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Dec 17 2013, 01:47 AM
I think you ignored the fact that criminal elements import guns Brew or steal them from military sources. So your belief that if legal guns are removed that all will be rosy is inaccurate. What it would mean is that the sheep would be defenseless.

In answering Don's questions I'll start off with one example. How to protect our schools and public places. At the most recent school shooting, the guard was armed and that prevented a massacre. So having armed guards and teachers would go a long way in preventing school massacres.

I don't believe that forfeiting my rights would solve the violence in our country. Criminals would still kill people with guns, families and friends would still enable their mentally ill and violent children and neighbors. As far as the felon situation, automatic death penalty and immediate execution.
The importation of guns from out os City or out of State certainly explains the high rate of gun injuries and fatalities in Chicago. I believe I mentioned that earlier in this thread.
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Armed guards at school is pie in the sky nonsense. What level of training would you require Pat? Unless you will be happy with security guard level employees you will need to pay them a living wage. How about background checks?, yearly update training and qualification?, laws of arrest and weaponless self defense training? (you can't shoot everyone). How will you administer the program as there will have to be state wide standards of hiring, training, and retention qualifications? Most importantly who will pay for this and how since additional taxes are never allowed on the Conservative table?

Realistically we have to accept that Americans are the most violent people of all the industrial nations. We will have to live with gun violence. It is impossible to get rid of all the ones that are currently out there and adding more hasn't seemed to change much. The CCW laws are as loose as they have ever been in modern times yet there has been no drastic reduction in violent crime.

My solution would be to make ALL gun crimes punishable by either death or life without parole. If you carry a gun when you commit any crime the legal presumption should be that you intended to kill someone with it. With rights come responsibility. This would not end gun violence but hopefully it would take a big bite out of it. However doing this would be very expensively but, I believe, money well spent.
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I think you ignored the fact that criminal elements import guns Brew or steal them from military sources. So your belief that if legal guns are removed that all will be rosy is inaccurate. What it would mean is that the sheep would be defenseless.

Pat, you're dreaming in Technicolor.

Criminals almost NEVER import guns in the US. Why would they? Most of the guns are readily available at home anyway.

Actually, studies show that most shootings are crimes of passion and opportunity, not planned actions. Criminals outside of organized crime rarely carry guns regularly, and grab whatever's handy.

In any case, you obviously didn't really read Don's piece, as Don didn't. It shows criminal use of guns is decreasing while overall shootings are not. Suicides, massacres, accidents, and "family incidents' are on the rise. The "sheep" are not getting killed by criminals, they're getting killed by other "sheep". Getting the guns out of John/Jane Q. Citizen's house will save John/Jane Q. Citizen's children, and probably him/her self. True self Defense.

Get rid of the guns, and even in the totally, ridiculously unlikely event that criminals will still have just as many guns as ever, deaths will still go down by the tens of thousands.

Raw logic.
Edited by Brewster, Dec 17 2013, 02:41 AM.
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Sea Dog
Dec 17 2013, 01:50 AM
Pat, how many Australian schools have been invaded by gunmen during your visit?
I don't know, I haven't heard of any. Remember Sea Dog, Australia is a civilized country, unburdened by ghetto gangs and deadbeats.
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Dec 17 2013, 03:00 AM
Sea Dog
Dec 17 2013, 01:50 AM
Pat, how many Australian schools have been invaded by gunmen during your visit?
I don't know, I haven't heard of any. Remember Sea Dog, Australia is a civilized country, unburdened by ghetto gangs and deadbeats.
Pat,

How many school shootings in the United States have been carried out by "ghetto gangs and deadbeats?"
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colo_crawdad
Dec 17 2013, 03:03 AM
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Dec 17 2013, 03:00 AM
Sea Dog
Dec 17 2013, 01:50 AM
Pat, how many Australian schools have been invaded by gunmen during your visit?
I don't know, I haven't heard of any. Remember Sea Dog, Australia is a civilized country, unburdened by ghetto gangs and deadbeats.
Pat,

How many school shootings in the United States have been carried out by "ghetto gangs and deadbeats?"
I don't know.
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Dec 17 2013, 03:15 AM
colo_crawdad
Dec 17 2013, 03:03 AM
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Dec 17 2013, 03:00 AM
Sea Dog
Dec 17 2013, 01:50 AM
Pat, how many Australian schools have been invaded by gunmen during your visit?
I don't know, I haven't heard of any. Remember Sea Dog, Australia is a civilized country, unburdened by ghetto gangs and deadbeats.
Pat,

How many school shootings in the United States have been carried out by "ghetto gangs and deadbeats?"
I don't know.
None of which I am aware. So I guess they are not a major cause of school shootings.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_Australia

Australia is burdened by "ghetto" gangs and has a welfare (deadbeats) population.
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Keep whining libs and I'll still have my guns. I would move out of this country if I was so afraid of guns.
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