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| Why there is no global warming war and never has been; history | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 15 2013, 02:25 AM (1,356 Views) | |
| Brewster | Dec 16 2013, 04:03 AM Post #21 |
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The Chinese Are Coming! |
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| Neutral | Dec 16 2013, 04:10 AM Post #22 |
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I suppose the Chinese are selling their junk to us. |
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| Pat | Dec 16 2013, 04:34 AM Post #23 |
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Google the company Solar City Brew, and while you are at it Tesla Motors and Space X. The same guy owns all three. He founded a little company after high school in South Africa while living in Canada. It put Yellow Pages on the internet. He sold that one for a few million and then after moving to California founded another little company you might have heard of, PayPal. The sale of that one gave him about $150 mil. He always like outer space and decided to learn how to become a rocket scientist, which he did. Nobody was going to Mars or exploring space so he decided to do it. NASA gave him a contract worth $billions to handle space transportation for them. He also thought renewables were the future so set his brother up to run his Solar City company. Oh, and while juggling all of that, started Tesla Motors. I just saw on the news today a photo of a Tesla filler up facility that was packed with Tesla's getting a charge. Solar City not only survived the recession but is everywhere--commercial and residential. Now take a trip to any metro area in the country, outside the rare weather occurrence where a temperature inversion traps air over an area, do you see anything that remotely resembles our country in the 70's? When was the last time the Detroit river caught fire? To say that China is anywhere near taking over the world with renewables is extremely premature. Talk is cheap let's see the results. America is not the land of tar sands and it's not the land of smog and industrial waste. We have the cleanest coal fired, gas fired, oil fired, and nuclear fired energy facilities in the world. Why did I bring any of this up? To lend perspective of your man love for China. Now let's turn to reality on the global warming stage. Before China cleans up that cess pool of a country and long before Canada even thinks about going green, the compounding affect of global temperatures and melting ice will be well on it's way to disrupting civilization. While Al Gore jets around to climate treaty cocktail parties, where it is all hat and no cow, food production will be ruined in many farm belts and insurance companies will be seeking bailouts for the cost of covering wiped out metro regions along the eastern and western seaboards. A few hurricanes will have taken out the gulf coast so no need to worry about that region. The horses already left the barn Brew, wake up. It's time for those who want to protect their gene pool to make relocation plans and divest from areas affected. This is not hard to figure out, you can look at previous migration paths that humans have used and where they staked a claim when sea waters raised and when agriculture became non sustainable. Yea I know, Pat has lost it. |
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| Brewster | Dec 16 2013, 05:02 AM Post #24 |
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Nope. Pat is looking for an excuse to do nothing. Yes, Pat, there are many individual entrepreneurs in the US and elsewhere who are doing some very interesting stuff, but this has gone well past individual action. To look at overall numbers of where renewables are being built and claim it's a "love for China" is silly - I'm scared stiff of China. The rest of the world has to wake up, or the Chinese will take over everything that matters. We need a major push, the kind that can only come from the top. We have waited too long. We are down to three possible scenarios: 1) Each country can put an effective Carbon Tax on everything within the next 4-5 years, and take that tax money and invest it entirely into developing and installing Green Tech. That will start turning the financial corner in about 2030, and the environmental corner in about 2050, after many disasters of the type you have mentioned. 2) We can sit on our collective *sses, living as we are now, and watching the disasters mount, until things get so bad that we HAVE to buy technology from China, and bankrupt ourselves in the process. 3) We can wait too long, or China doesn't get up to speed in time. If that happens, the whole D*mn civilization will go down the tubes, and we'll end up with only a couple of hundred thousand people left, living in the stone age. Edited by Brewster, Dec 16 2013, 05:04 AM.
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| Pat | Dec 16 2013, 06:48 AM Post #25 |
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Yes we could do those things but we won't. We have/had a war on drugs. It went nowhere fast. We had Wall Street and financial centers around the world damn near ruin the global economy. After all the hand wringing they are right back at it again. So much for the war against scoundrels. A couple of countries might ad a carbon tax and China will laugh at them and take advantage of the higher costs of production by stealing market share. I think I'll take the logical approach, why throw good money down a toilet. Human nature will result in the loss of billions of lives and there will be far less need for industry, polluting industry. After a few hundred years the atmosphere will be clean. Just in time for an Ice Age. |
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| Berton | Dec 18 2013, 12:20 AM Post #26 |
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Solar, AMO, & PDO cycles combined reproduce the global climate of the past Guest essay by H. Luedecke and C.O.Weiss We reported recently about our publication [1] which shows that during the last centuries all climate changes were caused by periodic ( i.e. natural ) processes. Non-periodic processes like a warming through the monotonic increase of CO2 in the atmosphere could cause at most 0.1° to 0.2° warming for a doubling of the CO2 content, as it is expected for 2100, within the uncertainty of the analysis. We find that 2 cycles of periods 200+ years and ~65 years determine practically completely the climate changes. All other cycles are weaker and non-periodic processes play no significant role. ............. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/17/solar-amo-pdo-cycles-combined-reproduce-the-global-climate-of-the-past/ |
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| Pat | Dec 18 2013, 01:21 AM Post #27 |
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There were not 7 billion people during those past events and all their polluting activity. My suggestion is that you make relocation plans for the ones you love, you might not live to reap the benefits but you just might save your gene pool. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2013, 01:58 AM Post #28 |
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You look pretty ridiculous when you keep posting from a known BS site run by a washed out TV weatherman. If you are not smart enough to do yoru own research rather than having opinions spoon fed to you by a politcal blog site, that is one thing. I do not really think you are that gullible & dumb, so why are you acting like it? |
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| Neutral | Dec 18 2013, 02:48 AM Post #29 |
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More attacking the source. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2013, 03:08 AM Post #30 |
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You bet. Especially when the source has nothing to do with facts, of course he will be called on it. You sure would have made a good Goebbels fan if you ahd been born a few decades earlier, if you think sources should not be questioned. Now why am i not surprised? |
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