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| Why there is no global warming war and never has been; history | |
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| Pat | Dec 15 2013, 02:25 AM Post #1 |
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I watched a fascinating documentary on Netflix. The program was about the Genographic Project. The program told the story of human migration from Africa, which was once a fertile land of grasses and abundance to Queens New York City. A melting post of a couple of hundred languages and peoples. The climate is always changing, it never stops, and it follows cycles. We may have exacerbated warming somewhat, but the truth of the matter is that land, populated and abundance, never stays that way. Never has and never will. With technology you might by a few dozen years but eventually climate wins the battle. Population migration is the norm, always has been and always will. You immediate offspring will be moving somewhere else on the planet. Eventually if the population continues to rise, there will be a catastrophic climate change that will wipe out 95% of it, followed by a gradual recovery. The global climate war was lost before it began, on this I'm certain. Watch the documentary, do a little research. |
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| Mountainrivers | Dec 15 2013, 02:36 AM Post #2 |
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According to Berton with a tip of the hat to Voltaire: "Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." Guess you'll have to take that absurdity up with Berton or Voltaire. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 15 2013, 02:41 AM Post #3 |
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I don't think anyone denies that Pat. We know that changes in climate have caused human migration in the past. In most cases it has been fairly gradual, probably quickly in some instances where climate change has been bought about by catastrophic events like Mt Toba. The big problem today is that there are 7 billion people on the planet. Most of whom live at sea level & migration is not an option. This is the first time in planetary that we are the engineers of climate change rather than mother nature. As such we have control of it, if we choose to do so. If we do not, then we will have to face whatever consequences there are. Obviously if Yellowstone blows in the meantime it will trump it. I suspect that intelligent life is common throughout the universe, but species who have managed to make it past not destroying their own planet beofre they can get off it, are probably extremely rare. That would explain why the universe is not full of radio signals. |
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| Brewster | Dec 15 2013, 02:57 AM Post #4 |
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I've done a lot of research, Pat. I'm quite sure that I've done more than all the rest of the people on this board put together. And your attitude is not only wrong, but dangerously, disastrously wrong. Just another excuse to avoid taking meaningful action. The world goes in cycles, yes. But never at any time in history has the Earth changed this fast. except possibly when vast numbers of Volcanoes all fired off simultaneously, millions of years ago. At the present moment, we are adding the equivalent of four Hiroshima bombs per second in heat to this planet - a total of over two billion bombs since 1998. And the heat in the oceans proves it. LINK BTW, about the "cycles" - Nature is in a cooling cycle right now, and if it wasn't for us, we'd be deep in an Ice Age in 20,000 years or so. |
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| Pat | Dec 15 2013, 03:07 AM Post #5 |
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I disagree Telco, we don't have any control of it. And I agree with your point about 7 billion and where they now live. Let's face it, billions are not going to make it. It's just the way it is, there will be periods of time where the masses are simply going to die off from famine induce wars and disease attributed to malnutrition. ironically, there will be a reduction in carbon emissions and human climate affect, but not the overall nature of climate and weather. I suggest you watch the documentary, it was fascination, if you want, you too can join the project. For a small fee they send you a kit and through intense DNA work, will show you where you came from and the migratory path. Our families traveled, settled, travel again many times before reaching what we now call home. |
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| Pat | Dec 15 2013, 03:11 AM Post #6 |
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Yes I know you have researched a lot. And yes things may be moving faster now, but again, there is not a damn thing we can do about it. The tipping point was crossed years ago and the climate changes are already impacting food production. A couple of late snow and ice events up to say June in a five year period, and agriculture will be bankrupt. I don't believe the drought will be the eventual killer but rather a unseasonal cold spell that disrupts the agriculture cycle and destroys the ability to produce food in the populated latitudes. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 15 2013, 03:16 AM Post #7 |
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We have control of it "in theory". Getting that many countries to agree on making a significant chnage is another matter of course. However ther eis no free lunch, either we do it or Mother Nature will do it in a rather unpleasant fashion. The point I was trying to make is that migration is not an option. Not without a lot of strife & bloodshed. There are imaginary lines, called borders around these days. one of the grousp tryign to migrate may well be Americans. The US already has some of the worlds worst weather. Australia? I suspect they may be on of the places that takes a big hit. |
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| Brewster | Dec 15 2013, 03:30 AM Post #8 |
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Just more excuses to avoid action. |
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| Pat | Dec 15 2013, 03:46 AM Post #9 |
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Yes, and the theory is all you have. In other words you have nothing of practical value or solutions. As a practical matter, families need to prepare for the survival of their gene pool not sit around with wishful thinking and procrastination. Stake out the next move ahead of time, and make for an easy transition. Think globally, it's all we have until sometime in the future space colonization become practical. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 15 2013, 03:52 AM Post #10 |
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You are correct, I am quite pessimistic in fact. I agree with all you say, but the human race usually does not act until it is forced to. |
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