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Socialist countries; based on % social expenditures to GDP
Topic Started: Dec 15 2013, 02:23 AM (652 Views)
Brewster
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Pretty much, Colo. The biggest difference I see is that in general there aren't as many government departments doing the same job in Canada - not near the overlapping bureaucracies. I think it makes our Government more efficient.

I would like to claim that's because we're smarter, but it probably has more to do with our smaller population base.
Edited by Brewster, Dec 16 2013, 04:15 AM.
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Banandangees
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For one reason or another certain of Canada's poor aren't benefiting much from Canada's social expenditures. This has been an ongoing problem and is nothing new to Canada. Some say it's racism:

Canada Not Doing Enough to Tackle Problems of Aboriginal People: U.N.

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"Canada is not doing enough to tackle the social and economic ills facing its large aboriginal population, which is beset by poverty, poor housing and high unemployment, a United Nations official said on Tuesday.

In a rare international rebuke to Canada, James Anaya, the U.N. special rapporteur on the rights of indigenous peoples, said Ottawa was taking some measures to address problems that have bedeviled the native population for many decades.

"It is equally clear that these steps are insufficient, and have yet to fully respond to aboriginal peoples' urgent needs," he told a news conference in Ottawa at the end of a nine-day visit.

"Canada consistently ranks near the top among countries with respect to human development standards, and yet ... aboriginal people live in conditions akin to those in countries that rank much lower and in which poverty abounds.
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Obviously, Canada is lacking in and can afford additional "social expenditures" to take care of their poor. Perhaps up its private sector contribution percent of GDP as in the US.

Or, maybe it's just a lack of efficiency on the part of the government social programs when it comes to certain segments of the poor in Canada.


Addendum: I think it can be said that the UN is not some "right wingnut" minded organization.
Edited by Banandangees, Dec 16 2013, 10:13 PM.
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colo_crawdad
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I feel I need to ask, Ban, did you originally start this thread as a "bash Canada" or a "bash Canadians" thread?
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Banandangees
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I started this thread to point out that when it come to "social expenditures," that the U.S. is more socialistic in that respect than is Canada. The U.S. is criticized by some in Canada as not doing enough for it's poor.

But if you want to think it's a bash on Canada that's fine with me. I have nothing against Canada. Canada is a fine country. But if you think I'm bashing some Canadians, I have to ask you, does that bother you that I do that?
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Banandangees
Dec 16 2013, 10:21 PM
I started this thread to point out that when it come to "social expenditures," that the U.S. is more socialistic in that respect than is Canada. The U.S. is criticized by some in Canada as not doing enough for it's poor.

But if you want to think it's a bash on Canada that's fine with me. I have nothing against Canada. Canada is a fine country. But if you think I'm bashing some Canadians, I have to ask you, does that bother you that I do that?
I am neither bothered nor elated by your admission of intent, Ban. I just wanted clarification. Thanks.
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Brewster
Dec 16 2013, 03:47 AM
telcoman
Dec 16 2013, 02:51 AM
I would define Canada as social democratic.
I would agree, Telco.

That description also applies to every country in the EU.

Sweden was for may years about the closest thing to pure Socialism we've ever had on the planet. It worked for a while, but eventually centralized planning and citizen demands did it in, and it's pretty much middle of the road Social Democratic now.

No pure "ism", be it Socialism, Capitalism, Communism or Feudalism, can ever work over a long period.

Yes, it does apply to every EU nation, Canada and the US. They are all of a "social democracy" nature, but vary in degree, especially when related to their GDP.


If you read into greater depth of the study done by the OECD, you will see that by looking at the data collected on social expenditures as related to each country's GDP, and relate those finding to each nation's fiscal health, they could make the statement that a nation's fiscal ills could be well due to "social expenditures" beyond what which their GDP could afford..... Greece, Spain, Ireland (some of the more southern EU nations) ..... and even the U.S.. Each country has to determine what it can afford in social expenditures in relation to what it's GDP can accommodate. Government managerial efficiency is undoubtedly a factor.

Addendum: Now, knowing that some nations have their social expenditures out of wack with their GDP, because of government mismanagement, does the IMF step in and "spread the wealth," or does the world go on as the EU is now doing with Greece and say, "knuckle down," become more efficient, work harder if you want us to spread our wealth?
Edited by Banandangees, Dec 16 2013, 10:49 PM.
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campingken
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Perhaps Ban has Canada-phobia?
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Banandangees
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Perhaps.
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campingken
Dec 17 2013, 01:45 AM
Perhaps Ban has Canada-phobia?
Yes, he'd be better off doing something positive about our own problems instead of bashing Canada. I think it's "the hit me back first thing."
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Ban doesn't spend his time on Canadian forums (if any even exist) bashing Canada. I wish we could say the same for Canadians about the U.S.
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