Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Urgent surgery: a forgotten wait time?
Topic Started: Dec 10 2013, 09:39 AM (1,326 Views)
Neutral
Member Avatar
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
[ * ]
Not surprising at all from reading you.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
wanderingjays
Member Avatar
HELL IN A HELMET
[ * ]
Neutral
Dec 14 2013, 07:54 AM
Not surprising at all from reading you.
Meaning what ?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Pat
Member Avatar
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
[ * ]
Brewster
Dec 14 2013, 12:00 AM
Berton
Dec 13 2013, 09:26 PM
Those are some interesting links ImaHeadaU but still do not answer the question about why aren't emergency or unplanned surgical procedure wait times never measured in Canada?
Apart from the terrible grammar, nobody will answer your question because it's silly.

How in H*ll do you measure wait times for unplanned surgeries? Since no-one even knew there was going to BE a surgery, at what point do you start the clock? When the doctor decides to operate? When the patient enters the hospital, probably with some completely different complaint? When the patient was born? Has the US invented a time machine they haven't told us about?

As for emergency procedures, that depends upon your definition of "emergency". Emergency admissions ARE measured. And unlike the US, in-hospital emergency procedures are done right away. That's because they're emergencies. And they're not subject to credit checks.

But of course, those answers don't suit your Right Wing Ideology, so now you're going to have to ask the same stupid question over again. Sorry to make your life so difficult, Bertie.

Oh, and now you're going to have to post that I'm being childish because I pointed out your stupidity by a name change, as I told you I would do long ago..

Stop asking childish questions, and maybe I'll start showing you some respect...
Yep. When I was having problems with my hip I tried several suggestions over the course of a couple of years to deal with the pain and loss of mobility. When the shots were proving to be more pain than the hip pain, my doctor and I decided that replacement was the right way forward. I don't know about you guys but you don't just march up to a hospital in Seattle and tell the receptionist that you have a surgeon in the car and you are their to use the operating facilities. It was a four month time in meeting the hospital's requirements and the actual surgery date. The operating rooms for elective surgery are booked far in advance. So how could you measure a wait time in this case and I doubt my case is odd or out of character with the rest of those in a similar situation.

As far as the gall bladder situation, again, we have had some friends that fought that one too, Going from painful attacks until the surgery could be scheduled. All of this is different in the event the elective surgery turns into a life threatening condition. Then of course they get you in immediately.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Brewster
Member Avatar
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
[ * ]
We need a rating system for the information value of posts, 0 to 5.

0 = Useless, No Value (Nicknamed a "Neut").

5 = A Fact-Filled Post that Really adds to the Discussion (a "Mike")

Pat's last one would be a 3 or 4.
Edited by Brewster, Dec 14 2013, 08:10 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sea Dog
No Avatar
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
[ * ]
wanderingjays
Dec 14 2013, 07:02 AM
It always amazes me how some one from this country knows more about Canadas health care system than a Canadian. Not one of my relatives canadian (and there are a bunch) have any complaints about their health care.
Better let them talk to Neut.
Your relatives obviously have no clue as to how they are treated.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Berton
Member Avatar
Thunder Fan
[ * ]
ImaHeadaU
Dec 14 2013, 04:15 AM
Berton
Dec 14 2013, 02:11 AM
While your link appears to say that "Urgent surgery wait times are not being measured," as stated in one of its headings, the actual text of the document states something a bit different. It would appear that in the Canadian hospitals mentioned, the data is collected by many layers off departments within the hospital but is not presently being collated to establish a particular urgent surgery wait time list. The article explains that the establishment of wait lists for elective surgery which have been shortening such wait periods may have an impact upon urgent surgery wait times but no one knows for sure.

This establishment of the elective surgery wait list came about due to the acknowledgement that there was a problem with those wait times. It would appear that some are now suggesting that there may be a problem with urgent surgery wait times. I suspect that this is being considered and if it should turn out to be a true problem, I imagine that some kind of a structure will be put into place to monitor and improve that process as well.

From your link;
Quote:
 
As there has been increasing attention focused on improving elective surgery wait-times, hospitals and surgeons tend to fiercely protect ‘elective surgical blocks’. In some cases, this may result in urgent cases being delayed until later in the day, when surgeons have completed their elective list of surgeries for the day.
...
We’ve made an assumption that patients with urgent needs are protected from waits, queues and backlogs” says Chris Simpson, cardiologist and incoming Canadian Medical Association President. However, evidence suggests that this assumption may not always hold true.


It would appear that some hospitals seem to be keeping some kind of a count re. urgent surgery wait times.

From your link;
Quote:
 
Emergency department overcrowding and concerns that patients are waiting too long for surgical consults in the emergency department is another motivator for acute care surgery programs. Sunnybrook developed an Acute Care Emergency Surgery Service (ACCESS) program with a dedicated surgeon and operating room for acute care surgery patients. A review of the data after ACCESS was implemented found that it reduced the time it took for surgeons to consult and book urgent patients for surgery, as well as improved emergency department overcrowding.


From your link;
Quote:
 
Alberta wait times are collected for emergency department waits, as well as waits once a patient has been booked into an operating room, but that this information is not put together to be able to measure the full wait for urgent surgery patients.

Doering describes trying to measure waits for urgent surgeries as “a nightmare” with multiple, disconnected data sources from different parts of the hospital.


So, it seems to me that some individuals have begun to focus on this issue, suggesting that it might be a problem. My guess is that it will soon be established, if it hasn`t already been, whether this is a significant problem. Should that be established, I would imagine that measures will be put into place to remedy the situation, if this hasn`t already happened.

Health care systems tend to be in a constant state of flux. Thank goodness there are individuals who are always striving to improve them.

You keep going back to "elective" surgery. That is not the subject of this thread. Read the title a bit more
carefully.

The wait times for "Urgent surgery' are not being kept. Therefore you and no one in Canada knows what they are.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
wanderingjays
Member Avatar
HELL IN A HELMET
[ * ]
I was wondering if he was calling them all liars.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Berton
Member Avatar
Thunder Fan
[ * ]
Pat
Dec 14 2013, 08:04 AM
Brewster
Dec 14 2013, 12:00 AM
Berton
Dec 13 2013, 09:26 PM
Those are some interesting links ImaHeadaU but still do not answer the question about why aren't emergency or unplanned surgical procedure wait times never measured in Canada?
Apart from the terrible grammar, nobody will answer your question because it's silly.

How in H*ll do you measure wait times for unplanned surgeries? Since no-one even knew there was going to BE a surgery, at what point do you start the clock? When the doctor decides to operate? When the patient enters the hospital, probably with some completely different complaint? When the patient was born? Has the US invented a time machine they haven't told us about?

As for emergency procedures, that depends upon your definition of "emergency". Emergency admissions ARE measured. And unlike the US, in-hospital emergency procedures are done right away. That's because they're emergencies. And they're not subject to credit checks.

But of course, those answers don't suit your Right Wing Ideology, so now you're going to have to ask the same stupid question over again. Sorry to make your life so difficult, Bertie.

Oh, and now you're going to have to post that I'm being childish because I pointed out your stupidity by a name change, as I told you I would do long ago..

Stop asking childish questions, and maybe I'll start showing you some respect...
Yep. When I was having problems with my hip I tried several suggestions over the course of a couple of years to deal with the pain and loss of mobility. When the shots were proving to be more pain than the hip pain, my doctor and I decided that replacement was the right way forward. I don't know about you guys but you don't just march up to a hospital in Seattle and tell the receptionist that you have a surgeon in the car and you are their to use the operating facilities. It was a four month time in meeting the hospital's requirements and the actual surgery date. The operating rooms for elective surgery are booked far in advance. So how could you measure a wait time in this case and I doubt my case is odd or out of character with the rest of those in a similar situation.

As far as the gall bladder situation, again, we have had some friends that fought that one too, Going from painful attacks until the surgery could be scheduled. All of this is different in the event the elective surgery turns into a life threatening condition. Then of course they get you in immediately.

Pat you are letting the Canadians miss lead you into thinking this thread is about what they call "elective" surgery which is what you are talking about in their lexicon.

Read the link in the first post.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Brewster
Member Avatar
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
[ * ]
Nope. Bertie and Neut think we just stumble around without a clue as to how our own country works.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Berton
Member Avatar
Thunder Fan
[ * ]
Berton
Dec 14 2013, 08:17 AM
Pat
Dec 14 2013, 08:04 AM
Brewster
Dec 14 2013, 12:00 AM
Berton
Dec 13 2013, 09:26 PM
Those are some interesting links ImaHeadaU but still do not answer the question about why aren't emergency or unplanned surgical procedure wait times never measured in Canada?
Apart from the terrible grammar, nobody will answer your question because it's silly.

How in H*ll do you measure wait times for unplanned surgeries? Since no-one even knew there was going to BE a surgery, at what point do you start the clock? When the doctor decides to operate? When the patient enters the hospital, probably with some completely different complaint? When the patient was born? Has the US invented a time machine they haven't told us about?

As for emergency procedures, that depends upon your definition of "emergency". Emergency admissions ARE measured. And unlike the US, in-hospital emergency procedures are done right away. That's because they're emergencies. And they're not subject to credit checks.

But of course, those answers don't suit your Right Wing Ideology, so now you're going to have to ask the same stupid question over again. Sorry to make your life so difficult, Bertie.

Oh, and now you're going to have to post that I'm being childish because I pointed out your stupidity by a name change, as I told you I would do long ago..

Stop asking childish questions, and maybe I'll start showing you some respect...
Yep. When I was having problems with my hip I tried several suggestions over the course of a couple of years to deal with the pain and loss of mobility. When the shots were proving to be more pain than the hip pain, my doctor and I decided that replacement was the right way forward. I don't know about you guys but you don't just march up to a hospital in Seattle and tell the receptionist that you have a surgeon in the car and you are their to use the operating facilities. It was a four month time in meeting the hospital's requirements and the actual surgery date. The operating rooms for elective surgery are booked far in advance. So how could you measure a wait time in this case and I doubt my case is odd or out of character with the rest of those in a similar situation.

As far as the gall bladder situation, again, we have had some friends that fought that one too, Going from painful attacks until the surgery could be scheduled. All of this is different in the event the elective surgery turns into a life threatening condition. Then of course they get you in immediately.

Pat you are letting the Canadians miss lead you into thinking this thread is about what they call "elective" surgery which is what you are talking about in their lexicon.

Read the link in the first post.

popcorn
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Fire And Ice General Discussion · Next Topic »
Add Reply

Website Traffic Analysis