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| Neutral | Dec 11 2013, 01:30 AM Post #11 |
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It's remarks like that which make me correct. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 11 2013, 01:47 AM Post #12 |
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Really, I hear of one or 2 stories like that a year, if that, and I have never met or talked to anyone who has had that issue. There are always cases of people who fall through the cracks, not only in helath care. Here for example, and I intentional use a right wing source, is a case of in the US. Not the same sort of thing but an example of the medical system failing people. If you dig intot hat case it looks liek a hsopital intentionally keeping a child hostage since the hospital is picking up government funding for her. http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/12/06/update-15-year-old-girl-held-at-boston-children%E2%80%99s-hospital-against-parent%E2%80%99s-will-still-not-allowed-to-home/ BTW, wait timess are not only a Canadian phenomena, it happens in the US as well http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/739109 http://www.zimmetzimmet.com/library/medical-malpractice/man-dies-in-hospital-waiting-for-surgical-consult-volusia-county-medical-malpractice-attorney/ Now you are going to see more wait times in Canada or Australia simply because a higher proportion of th epopluation has access to health care. The factor that is not used in Comprison is the number of people in the US who do not get treated at all or avoid treatment they feel they cannot afford. IMO the statistics regarding overall health are the only ones you can use as a comparison of the effectiveness of health care systems and on that, Canada beats the US hands down. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 11 2013, 01:50 AM Post #13 |
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Well you have hardly demostrated you have the capability of saying much else other than snide comments from the sidelines. Its hard to find any originality of thought in any of your posts. At least other on the right here, like Pat & Ban and even Berton demonstrate they have something going on upstairs. You, I seldom see it. |
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| Mountainrivers | Dec 11 2013, 01:53 AM Post #14 |
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Can't see what's not there. |
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| Berton | Dec 11 2013, 02:30 AM Post #15 |
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Sure looks like a bureaucratic decision to me. Solely based on how much money the government has. |
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| Brewster | Dec 11 2013, 02:37 AM Post #16 |
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For the Millions of people in the US with no insurance, ALL have wait times measured in years. Bertie finds one case in Canada, and his childlike mind thinks that's worse. Edited by Brewster, Dec 11 2013, 02:42 AM.
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| Berton | Dec 11 2013, 02:47 AM Post #17 |
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I see the child is still with us today. Here is some more which shows it is not just "one case".
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| Neutral | Dec 11 2013, 03:19 AM Post #18 |
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I used to post many stories of Canadians having to wait, they got ignored too. It's very common in Canada, that's why many come here. |
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| Berton | Dec 11 2013, 10:03 AM Post #19 |
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Narrow focus on waits had unintended consequences “Foot and ankle fell off the table when wait times focused on hips and knees,” Alan Hudson, who spearheaded Ontario’s Wait Times Strategy until 2009, writes in an email. “Classic example of down side of target and financial incentive to do other things,” he says of targeted funding for hospitals to increase the number of knee and hip replacements, but not other kinds of orthopedic surgery. Chris Simpson, Chair of the Wait Time Alliance, agrees. “The focus on the big five priority areas made for some very nice report cards for governments, but while we were making progress in those areas, everything else got left behind,” he argues. However, Hudson notes that some innovations born of the Wait Times Strategy should be leveraged to improve wait times across the system. In particular, he points to the centralized system for hip and knee replacements used in the Toronto Central LHIN, where patients are assessed at a centralized facility by advance practice physiotherapists and nurses. These assessors determine whether a patient is a good candidate for surgery. This system cuts down on wait times, because it frees up surgeons’ time by not having to see patients who are not good candidates for surgery. The centralized system also gives patients the option to either pick a specific surgeon or the first available surgeon, which further reduces overall wait times. (Patients report a high level of satisfaction with this system.) Daniels believes a system like this could be of enormous benefit for many surgical procedures that were not included under the five priority areas. --------- More bureaucratic decisions gone wrong. Why are bureaucrats making health care decisions? Edited by Berton, Dec 11 2013, 10:04 AM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 11 2013, 10:16 AM Post #20 |
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It is funny how all these stories come out and yet when you talk to individual Canadians none of them appear to have these issues. My mother waited 3 months for knee replacement & 1 day for hip replacement (she broke it). My grandaughter when she was injured in a car accident had a 7 man surgical team waiting for the heliocopter. I suspect like in most things, its the occasional screwup that gets all the press. I went to see a guy yesteday who lives near here and has signed up for our Mexican Caravan. He is American and has immigrated to Canada. Why? For our medical. As far as hips & knees, my wife had a 3 month wait time for her shoulder but decided to pay instead at private clinic. For the second opertion (same orthopedic surgeon) she waited 2 months but put it off herself since we were in Mexico. That particular surgeon (Peter Kokan) works 3 days at a private clinic, 2 days in the public system. |
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