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CNN report on guns; Anyone watching?
Topic Started: Dec 9 2013, 08:15 AM (1,029 Views)
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Dec 10 2013, 12:15 AM
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Dec 9 2013, 11:39 PM
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Dec 9 2013, 11:26 PM
According to the state law and the driving manual it is illegal to drive while under the influence of alcohol or drugs, so why would we label it an accident if the driver wrecks? Why do we label it an accident if a driver is inattentive, does not check the mirrors, does not maintain proper distance from other vehicles, or fails in any other rule and obligation as outlined in the manual? It's funny how irresponsible behavior is now mislabeled as something beyond one's control.

Ban was right in pointing out the cultural and diversity issues that result in violent behavior by some in our country.
If everybody was perfect, as you seem to suggest they should be, there would never be an accident.
I was saying that the events are not truly accidents.
Then, what is your definition of "accident"? Accidents happen because someone did something they shouldn't have done.
I think a momentary lapse in judgment and action might define an outcome as an accident if damage to life and limb occurred or to property. I think in my rambling I was trying to point out that all those car deaths were not accidents but more willful and deliberate. I admit to a growing level of concern and fear as I age to jumping on the streets and byways back home. More so here. Cars wooshing by far beyond the posted speed limit, often with a driver whose ear is planted on a phone. My wife says they are accidents waiting to happen, but are those really accidents if they do?
Accident: "a sudden event (such as a crash) that is not planned or intended and that causes damage or injury. : an event that is not planned or intended
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If you are a sentient and intelligent being, how can you say that breaking the law of physics or man is not planned and intended when you willfully do so?
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Dec 10 2013, 12:32 AM
If you are a sentient and intelligent being, how can you say that breaking the law of physics or man is not planned and intended when you willfully do so?
If you are on a ladder cleaning the gutters and fall off, did you intend to do that?
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Dec 10 2013, 12:35 AM
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If you are a sentient and intelligent being, how can you say that breaking the law of physics or man is not planned and intended when you willfully do so?
If you are on a ladder cleaning the gutters and fall off, did you intend to do that?
:smile: That's happened to me.

I don't think we ever intend to have some of the real outcomes that result from our decisions. None the less, we obviously made some errant move to end up on the ground rather than still on the ladder. Not placing the ladder properly, leaning way over the center of gravity, stretching to reach those leaves instead of moving the ladder closer. Checking out the babe who is undressing in the neighbors house as we descend or climbed past the view ( did I just write that)
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Dec 9 2013, 09:58 PM
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Dec 9 2013, 08:57 PM
Canada is in the top 7% of gun ownership per capita of those countries ranked. How many have bought those firearms intentionally to kill someone? Explain why Canada has so many guns. How many people in the US and Canada buy guns with no express purpose of killing someone?

Of those killed in car accidents, how many were the result of another's drunken driving or reckless driving? There might as well have been intent as the cause was done intentionally... that's why those people are prosecuted.

Cars are about as efficiently designed as pracital, yet they kill as many in one year (over 30,000) as Americans were killed in all the years of the Korean War.


"Of those killed in car accidents, how many were the result of another's drunken driving or reckless driving? There might as well have been intent as the cause was done intentionally.."

Have you ever been out to dinner, had a couple glasses of wine and driven home? If you did, you were impaired. Did you intend to kill someone as a result?

Well, where on the line of drinking do you credit being impaired enough to cause an accident.... but does it make a difference? What you did intentionally caused the death of another person.

But if you are intending to kill someone, do you go out and buy a car to do it?
" What you did intentionally caused the death of another person."

What you have to be assuming is that the accident was a direct result of your drinking. That might or might not be true.
Well, perhaps the shooter only intended to wound the person but his bullet accidently hit a vital area. Lots of "ifs."
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Speaking of driving, Obi is now trying to install extras for us seniors.
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Dec 10 2013, 12:42 AM
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Dec 10 2013, 12:32 AM
If you are a sentient and intelligent being, how can you say that breaking the law of physics or man is not planned and intended when you willfully do so?
If you are on a ladder cleaning the gutters and fall off, did you intend to do that?
:smile: That's happened to me.

I don't think we ever intend to have some of the real outcomes that result from our decisions. None the less, we obviously made some errant move to end up on the ground rather than still on the ladder. Not placing the ladder properly, leaning way over the center of gravity, stretching to reach those leaves instead of moving the ladder closer. Checking out the babe who is undressing in the neighbors house as we descend or climbed past the view ( did I just write that)
I see, there's no such thing as an accident. Learn something new every day. :sarcasim:
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Dec 10 2013, 12:43 AM
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Dec 9 2013, 08:57 PM
Canada is in the top 7% of gun ownership per capita of those countries ranked. How many have bought those firearms intentionally to kill someone? Explain why Canada has so many guns. How many people in the US and Canada buy guns with no express purpose of killing someone?

Of those killed in car accidents, how many were the result of another's drunken driving or reckless driving? There might as well have been intent as the cause was done intentionally... that's why those people are prosecuted.

Cars are about as efficiently designed as pracital, yet they kill as many in one year (over 30,000) as Americans were killed in all the years of the Korean War.


"Of those killed in car accidents, how many were the result of another's drunken driving or reckless driving? There might as well have been intent as the cause was done intentionally.."

Have you ever been out to dinner, had a couple glasses of wine and driven home? If you did, you were impaired. Did you intend to kill someone as a result?

Well, where on the line of drinking do you credit being impaired enough to cause an accident.... but does it make a difference? What you did intentionally caused the death of another person.

But if you are intending to kill someone, do you go out and buy a car to do it?
" What you did intentionally caused the death of another person."

What you have to be assuming is that the accident was a direct result of your drinking. That might or might not be true.
Well, perhaps the shooter only intended to wound the person but his bullet accidently hit a vital area. Lots of "ifs."
Unless the dead guy did something to instigate the shooting, the shooter had no right to shoot him regardless of his intent.
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And the family driving on their own side of the road didn't know they were about to be run into by an impaired or reckless driver crossing over.
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Dec 10 2013, 06:27 AM
And the family driving on their own side of the road didn't know they were about to be run into by an impaired or reckless driver crossing over.
What has that got to do with anything?
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