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CNN report on guns; Anyone watching?
Topic Started: Dec 9 2013, 08:15 AM (1,030 Views)
Mountainrivers
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Banandangees
Dec 9 2013, 09:52 PM
Mountainrivers
Dec 9 2013, 09:27 PM
Banandangees
Dec 9 2013, 08:57 PM
Canada is in the top 7% of gun ownership per capita of those countries ranked. How many have bought those firearms intentionally to kill someone? Explain why Canada has so many guns. How many people in the US and Canada buy guns with no express purpose of killing someone?

Of those killed in car accidents, how many were the result of another's drunken driving or reckless driving? There might as well have been intent as the cause was done intentionally... that's why those people are prosecuted.

Cars are about as efficiently designed as pracital, yet they kill as many in one year (over 30,000) as Americans were killed in all the years of the Korean War.


"Of those killed in car accidents, how many were the result of another's drunken driving or reckless driving? There might as well have been intent as the cause was done intentionally.."

Have you ever been out to dinner, had a couple glasses of wine and driven home? If you did, you were impaired. Did you intend to kill someone as a result?

Well, where on the line of drinking do you credit being impaired enough to cause an accident.... but does it make a difference? What you did intentionally caused the death of another person.

But if you are intending to kill someone, do you go out and buy a car to do it?
" What you did intentionally caused the death of another person."

What you have to be assuming is that the accident was a direct result of your drinking. That might or might not be true.
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Dec 9 2013, 09:50 PM
Mountainrivers
Dec 9 2013, 09:22 PM
Banandangees
Dec 9 2013, 08:57 PM
Canada is in the top 7% of gun ownership per capita of those countries ranked. How many have bought those firearms intentionally to kill someone? Explain why Canada has so many guns. How many people in the US and Canada buy guns with no express purpose of killing someone?

Of those killed in car accidents, how many were the result of another's drunken driving or reckless driving? There might as well have been intent as the cause was done intentionally... that's why those people are prosecuted.

Cars are about as efficiently designed as pracital, yet they kill as many in one year (over 30,000) as Americans were killed in all the years of the Korean War.


In most cases car wrecks are accidents. Not so with gun deaths.
Then why aren't there more gun deaths per capita in Canada?
I don't know. Do you? In that CNN piece last night, the number of guns apparently wasn't a factor in the death rates by gun. I do believe it has to do with the demographics in our society that creates the environment in which people are more prone to gun violence. Drug money, I believe, is the main cause.
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Then what you seem to be saying is that "homicides by gun" are more related to demographics than the number of guns (which is probably the case in Canada as well). If so, then I agree. It's the demographics that is the greatest influence and not the number of guns. If that's the case then our leaders spend too much time dwelling on number of guns and should be spending more on the demographic causes of such violence.
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Dec 9 2013, 12:52 PM
How many lives were lost to obesity last year in the United States? People die, we will all die, all of your loved ones, kids, grandkids and those yet to be born will die.
It seems to me that a statement about diying from obesity or auto acccidents or just dying for most any reason is an attempt to either divert attention from gun deaths in the United States or to suggest those needless deaths are simply acceptable. I do not buy either one. If we need to work at solving needless death by obesity, okay. We also need to significantly reduce the needless death by guns in this country.JMHO
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Yes if everyone would be armed we would greatly reduce the gun deaths.
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According to the state law and the driving manual it is illegal to drive while under the influence of alcohol or drugs, so why would we label it an accident if the driver wrecks? Why do we label it an accident if a driver is inattentive, does not check the mirrors, does not maintain proper distance from other vehicles, or fails in any other rule and obligation as outlined in the manual? It's funny how irresponsible behavior is now mislabeled as something beyond one's control.

Ban was right in pointing out the cultural and diversity issues that result in violent behavior by some in our country.
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Dec 9 2013, 11:26 PM
According to the state law and the driving manual it is illegal to drive while under the influence of alcohol or drugs, so why would we label it an accident if the driver wrecks? Why do we label it an accident if a driver is inattentive, does not check the mirrors, does not maintain proper distance from other vehicles, or fails in any other rule and obligation as outlined in the manual? It's funny how irresponsible behavior is now mislabeled as something beyond one's control.

Ban was right in pointing out the cultural and diversity issues that result in violent behavior by some in our country.
If everybody was perfect, as you seem to suggest they should be, there would never be an accident.
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Dec 9 2013, 11:39 PM
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Dec 9 2013, 11:26 PM
According to the state law and the driving manual it is illegal to drive while under the influence of alcohol or drugs, so why would we label it an accident if the driver wrecks? Why do we label it an accident if a driver is inattentive, does not check the mirrors, does not maintain proper distance from other vehicles, or fails in any other rule and obligation as outlined in the manual? It's funny how irresponsible behavior is now mislabeled as something beyond one's control.

Ban was right in pointing out the cultural and diversity issues that result in violent behavior by some in our country.
If everybody was perfect, as you seem to suggest they should be, there would never be an accident.
I was saying that the events are not truly accidents.
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According to the state law and the driving manual it is illegal to drive while under the influence of alcohol or drugs, so why would we label it an accident if the driver wrecks? Why do we label it an accident if a driver is inattentive, does not check the mirrors, does not maintain proper distance from other vehicles, or fails in any other rule and obligation as outlined in the manual? It's funny how irresponsible behavior is now mislabeled as something beyond one's control.

Ban was right in pointing out the cultural and diversity issues that result in violent behavior by some in our country.
If everybody was perfect, as you seem to suggest they should be, there would never be an accident.
I was saying that the events are not truly accidents.
Then, what is your definition of "accident"? Accidents happen because someone did something they shouldn't have done.
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Dec 9 2013, 11:26 PM
According to the state law and the driving manual it is illegal to drive while under the influence of alcohol or drugs, so why would we label it an accident if the driver wrecks? Why do we label it an accident if a driver is inattentive, does not check the mirrors, does not maintain proper distance from other vehicles, or fails in any other rule and obligation as outlined in the manual? It's funny how irresponsible behavior is now mislabeled as something beyond one's control.

Ban was right in pointing out the cultural and diversity issues that result in violent behavior by some in our country.
If everybody was perfect, as you seem to suggest they should be, there would never be an accident.
I was saying that the events are not truly accidents.
Then, what is your definition of "accident"? Accidents happen because someone did something they shouldn't have done.
I think a momentary lapse in judgment and action might define an outcome as an accident if damage to life and limb occurred or to property. I think in my rambling I was trying to point out that all those car deaths were not accidents but more willful and deliberate. I admit to a growing level of concern and fear as I age to jumping on the streets and byways back home. More so here. Cars wooshing by far beyond the posted speed limit, often with a driver whose ear is planted on a phone. My wife says they are accidents waiting to happen, but are those really accidents if they do?
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