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Given the deep/deepening recession, do you think it was wise
Topic Started: Nov 30 2013, 10:46 PM (3,484 Views)
Mountainrivers
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Pat
Dec 5 2013, 05:24 AM
Remember this quote?

In September, Harry Reid told reporters---

"Let's stop these really juvenile political games -- the one dealing with health care for senators and House members and our staff. We are going to be part of exchanges, that's what the law says and we'll be part of that."

Guess whose staff has been exempted from Obamacare despite other congressional leaders instructing their staffs to use Obamacare? :smile:
It's only part of his staff, and don't you think it is important to know why he did that? There must be a reason. We'll find out soon enough.
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My health insurance is great so in the spirit of conservatism lets go back to the old system and get rid of Medicare while we are at it. Old people should die and stop being a burden on the young if they didn't save enough for those $500,000+ heart surgeries. They sure as heck didn't contribute enough to Medicare to cover these type of procedures.
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campingken
Dec 5 2013, 06:02 AM
My health insurance is great so in the spirit of conservatism lets go back to the old system and get rid of Medicare while we are at it. Old people should die and stop being a burden on the young if they didn't save enough for those $500,000+ heart surgeries. They sure as heck didn't contribute enough to Medicare to cover these type of procedures.
You mention that nearly every time we discus this Ken so I'm taking you up on it.

Since we are playing shoulda, coulda, woulda. I will forgoe both medicare and social security, what I want in exchange is a check for $2,500,000 for lost investment opportunities had I had the money invested elsewhere. Are we on?
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Dec 5 2013, 06:33 AM
campingken
Dec 5 2013, 06:02 AM
My health insurance is great so in the spirit of conservatism lets go back to the old system and get rid of Medicare while we are at it. Old people should die and stop being a burden on the young if they didn't save enough for those $500,000+ heart surgeries. They sure as heck didn't contribute enough to Medicare to cover these type of procedures.
You mention that nearly every time we discus this Ken so I'm taking you up on it.

Since we are playing shoulda, coulda, woulda. I will forgoe both medicare and social security, what I want in exchange is a check for $2,500,000 for lost investment opportunities had I had the money invested elsewhere. Are we on?
Yeah, right! You only wish you could have $2.5 mill made on that money. You can't possible know that, so saying it is ridiculous. Besides, it's that old it's "all me" attitude that you have. What you got for that money is guaranteed health care whether you can afford your own health care or not. Most people can't afford health care in old age and moral people wouldn't deny that to them. You constantly amaze me with the lack of empathy you exhibit toward anyone other than you or your family.
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Many are on medicaid because they can't afford supplemental insurance, why didn't Obi fix that?
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Dec 5 2013, 06:33 AM
campingken
Dec 5 2013, 06:02 AM
My health insurance is great so in the spirit of conservatism lets go back to the old system and get rid of Medicare while we are at it. Old people should die and stop being a burden on the young if they didn't save enough for those $500,000+ heart surgeries. They sure as heck didn't contribute enough to Medicare to cover these type of procedures.
You mention that nearly every time we discus this Ken so I'm taking you up on it.

Since we are playing shoulda, coulda, woulda. I will forgoe both medicare and social security, what I want in exchange is a check for $2,500,000 for lost investment opportunities had I had the money invested elsewhere. Are we on?


















Pat, have another beer and you might double that 2.5 mil to 5 mil mil. lol









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Right Pat,

You invested less than $200,000 in SS over 40+ years but you could have turned that into a cool 2.5 mill. Of course unlike the majority of Americans you would have invested monthly. Gads man with that kind of track record Bill Gates should be borrowing money from you.

However we will be generous and bump your $200,000 into $500,000. When that's gone pay your own way.
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Maybe he wanted to make a post as ridiculous as yours Ken?
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Dec 5 2013, 08:50 AM
Many are on medicaid because they can't afford supplemental insurance, why didn't Obi fix that?
People are on medicaid because they are poor. Obie tried to expand medicaid, but many red states refused to. Of course the best cure would give them the opportunity to be "not poor". Addressing the horrendous wealth inequality would go a long way in fixing that. We need income redistribution by requiring the 1% ers to pay more tax. Not for distribution as entitlements, but to be spent on education, infrastructure etc. thereby stimulating demand in the economy and creating jobs.
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Mountainrivers
Dec 5 2013, 08:33 AM
Pat
Dec 5 2013, 06:33 AM
campingken
Dec 5 2013, 06:02 AM
My health insurance is great so in the spirit of conservatism lets go back to the old system and get rid of Medicare while we are at it. Old people should die and stop being a burden on the young if they didn't save enough for those $500,000+ heart surgeries. They sure as heck didn't contribute enough to Medicare to cover these type of procedures.
You mention that nearly every time we discus this Ken so I'm taking you up on it.

Since we are playing shoulda, coulda, woulda. I will forgoe both medicare and social security, what I want in exchange is a check for $2,500,000 for lost investment opportunities had I had the money invested elsewhere. Are we on?
Yeah, right! You only wish you could have $2.5 mill made on that money. You can't possible know that, so saying it is ridiculous. Besides, it's that old it's "all me" attitude that you have. What you got for that money is guaranteed health care whether you can afford your own health care or not. Most people can't afford health care in old age and moral people wouldn't deny that to them. You constantly amaze me with the lack of empathy you exhibit toward anyone other than you or your family.

Pat, it appears to me that MR is in total disagreement with Campken on this one. But, he unfairly (IMO) notices your seemingly lack of empathy while totally ignoring Campken"s obvious lack of it. I suppose its that sticking together at most costs by those on the Left.

Campken apparently has lost that leftish show of compassion for "the weak" that we hear so much about, and possibly never has had it to begin with, and is actually ready to discriminate against the elderly, while MR still does maintains his empathy for his elderly brothers and sisters.

I'm not sure how Sea would feel about Campken's discriminatory lack of empathy for a segment of our population, but probably won't comment on it either due to that cross border liberal loyalty. But Sea knows one thing I'm sure, while he travels south through the U.S. this winter and during his return home in the Spring, he probably won't feel a need to put a distance, for personal safety purposes, between him and our elderly population but might definitely avoid various of the younger population areas.

I would have felt better if with MR's show of compassion for the elderly, which Campken obviously lacks, if he would have mentioned, in some context, Campken's, I guess we can say "blatant," obvious lack of compassion and discrimination for folks MR's age. He totally ignored it. That's not like him.

But all that being said, Reid and that whole crew are total hypocrites. He was for his staff being on the same healthcare system as the general population before he was against it. When you're special, your special. But that's the way economic populism usually works. Everybody is "equalized;" everybody except the elite leaders in equalization management.
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