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Given the deep/deepening recession, do you think it was wise
Topic Started: Nov 30 2013, 10:46 PM (3,486 Views)
Mountainrivers
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Banandangees
Dec 3 2013, 08:59 PM
You libs need to spread you wealth to those folks you're talking about. Be more charitable. Set an example for WalMart, Kmart, Kohls, MacDonalds. Shame them.... and don't buy from them. Don't drive your cars, or buy GE products, or listen to NBC because their parent company pays no taxes. Do something.
That's the kind of post that makes you guys so entertaining.
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Banandangees
Dec 3 2013, 09:00 PM
Mountainrivers
Dec 3 2013, 08:53 PM
Banandangees
Dec 3 2013, 08:45 PM
Not so! We all would like to see a fair wage based on skill, supply and demand, and preparation, a fair tax system, equal opportunity for all, equal effort by all, shared responsibility by all.
You use that fair wage argument based on skill, supply and demand to deny those who are less skilled an opportunity to make a living wage. What do you suggest we do about those who don't meet your requirements?

I think you need to ask Colo that question. He is the expert in education. He'll have the answer on how those unprepared, can be prepared via education.
Nah! Colo doesn't have an answer to why some people don't get educated. Why do you think they don't?
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Banandangees
Dec 3 2013, 09:00 PM
Mountainrivers
Dec 3 2013, 08:53 PM
Banandangees
Dec 3 2013, 08:45 PM
Not so! We all would like to see a fair wage based on skill, supply and demand, and preparation, a fair tax system, equal opportunity for all, equal effort by all, shared responsibility by all.
You use that fair wage argument based on skill, supply and demand to deny those who are less skilled an opportunity to make a living wage. What do you suggest we do about those who don't meet your requirements?

I think you need to ask Colo that question. He is the expert in education. He'll have the answer on how those unprepared, can be prepared via education.
And Ban once again engages in silly sarcasm.
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I wonder if a Junior member of congress has any true skills or just a big enough ego and line of BS to get elected. Does he or she need any more basic skills than a kitchen worker at McDonalds or shelf stocker at Costco? We have a former comedian in the senate, when Congressman Bono was killed in a tragic skiing accident his wife ran and won the position. Was she anything other than a house wife? Does it take any more skills to be president than those of a housewife who delegates the family chores and plans budgets? Who runs a household?

A question for those out there who completed higher education, when you stepped into you job what real skills did you bring to the table?

The argument over skill and non skill labor might be valid when comparing a hospital orderly with the brain surgeon on payroll but in the real world it doesn't. Messy and dangerous jobs have traditionally paid more but does it take more skills than a farm labor foreman to be a cop than run a farm? Different traits maybe but nothing really special in the brain department.

In my mind a fair wage has more to do with our economic system's health and vitality than the argument, stale and unproven argument that the McDonalds job is a low skill this or that. How many here can fix a fry cooker if it goes on the blink?
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Pat
Dec 3 2013, 07:36 AM
Berton
Dec 3 2013, 03:26 AM
That Pat is another example why this board is dying. Nothing but name calling and insults going on by childish liberals.

You have Neal and Colo backed into a corner on this one and in the past that has devolved to name calling and wild eyed requests. It is what it is Berton, put them on ignore. Why get upset over a post by somebody who asks to prove your claim? Universal healthcare sent shivers to the bones of republicans in graveyards let alone alive. And you were correct, the Obamacare compromise legislation passed while Obama had control of both houses. Minimum wage increases would have been easy compared to passing the hot button healthcare legislation, which had us all worrying about creping socialism. Remeber this Berton, once a guy starts resorting to name calling and such, they lost the debate.

Pat, if I put everyone on this board who does nothing but insults and calls others names I would end up with only four people on the board to read.

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If, as an insulter par excellence,
you include yourself,
you would be left with only three to read.
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Mountainrivers
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aaasbump for Pat!

'Geez, Pat, your losing it. Please explain what corner either Colo or I have been backed into? Certainly, it hasn't been by Berton. All he's done is make up stuff and tried to present it as fact. Colo and I called him on it and he can't deal with that, so he complains to you about insults, and dammit, you fell for it.
You should know, even if you don't, that the blue dog dems were not going to vote for the ACA unless is contained some of the things that conservative dems wanted. Obama can't make every dem vote like he wants them to. So, saying he could have passed anything when the dems controlled congress is ludicrous on it's face and reflects the bias conservatives have come to be known to exhibit and as Colo says, you have become one of the worst.."
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Dec 4 2013, 06:34 AM
If, as an insulter par excellence,
you include yourself,
you would be left with only three to read.
I think he need not worry. Pat will protect him regardless of his insults.
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Yet another Colo insult. lol
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New poll to mull over---



Gallup: More Public Knows About ObamaCare, More They Oppose It



by John Nolte 3 Dec 2013, 12:48 PM PDT 693 post a comment


The title of Gallup's latest ObamaCare poll is about how young people are the least familiar with the law. The buried lead, though, is the finding that the more people learn about ObamaCare, the more they oppose it.

Gallup notes that those "familiar with the healthcare law are significantly more likely to oppose it than those who are not familiar with it." Those familiar with ObamaCare disapprove of the law by a margin of 59-40%. Those unfamiliar are almost evenly split at 41% approve, 43% disapprove.

Gallup adds that the -19% gap in approval among those familiar with ObamaCare is a higher negative than what you see in polls of the general public.

Over the next 20 days, President Obama has vowed to make 20 public appearances as a way to spread the news about ObamaCare, and encourage sign ups. If Gallup's polling is correct, this could drive disapproval of ObamaCare up even further.

It is almost certain that when voters are able to sign into the ObamaCare exchanges -- where most will be faced with the brutal reality of overpriced premiums, sky-high deductibles, and a lousy choice of doctors -- that disapproval will increase even further.

The American public never liked the idea of ObamaCare. This Gallup poll shows that for a vast majority of users (to coin a White House phrase), the reality is even worse.


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