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Given the deep/deepening recession, do you think it was wise
Topic Started: Nov 30 2013, 10:46 PM (3,490 Views)
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LOL I knew the race card was coming but didn't expect it this quickly, especially from the guy who just said he was cutting back because of facts. lol
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Dec 1 2013, 12:15 AM
Given the need of 30 million people, according to yo, Pat, the answer is YES.
OK. Then your priority match the president's. I think working towards and spending political capital on passing a living wage bill would have done far greater good in the country. A president only has so much political capital and when first sworn in, that was when a similar all out effort would have in my opinion, resulted in a living wage for American workers. I would have followed up in priority a set of tax reforms and trade reforms designed to stimulate the economy. My guess is that the vast majority would have favored those the polices a opposed to just the opposite in support for the healthcare reform. Five years in, we would in my opinion be hitting on all cylinders had wages, jobs and taxes been addressed.
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Dec 1 2013, 12:15 AM
Given the need of 30 million people, according to yo, Pat, the answer is YES.
OK. Then your priority match the president's. I think working towards and spending political capital on passing a living wage bill would have done far greater good in the country. A president only has so much political capital and when first sworn in, that was when a similar all out effort would have in my opinion, resulted in a living wage for American workers. I would have followed up in priority a set of tax reforms and trade reforms designed to stimulate the economy. My guess is that the vast majority would have favored those the polices a opposed to just the opposite in support for the healthcare reform. Five years in, we would in my opinion be hitting on all cylinders had wages, jobs and taxes been addressed.
Here's why your proposal wouldn't work, Pat.

"President Obama has called for an increase in the national rate, mentioning it in his most recent State of the Union address and recently signing on to a proposal from congressional Democrats to set a $10.10 hourly rate. But congressional Republicans have opposed any increase, saying it would hurt employers and curtail job growth."

Even $10.10/hour isn't a living wage.

What tax and trade reforms would you have presented to the congress, and since reps won't vote for anything Obama proposes, how would you implement them?
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Dec 1 2013, 12:13 AM
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Dec 1 2013, 12:02 AM
Deepening recession Pat? Can you provide some facts showing that the economy is worse off than it was 5 years ago when Bush left the country on the brink of collapse?
I read just last week Joe that the unemployment numbers are edging back up which has generally been viewed as a sign that the economy is worsening. Do you disagree, if so why?
Pat, can you provide a link to that
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Given the need of 30 million people, according to yo, Pat, the answer is YES.
OK. Then your priority match the president's. I think working towards and spending political capital on passing a living wage bill would have done far greater good in the country. A president only has so much political capital and when first sworn in, that was when a similar all out effort would have in my opinion, resulted in a living wage for American workers. I would have followed up in priority a set of tax reforms and trade reforms designed to stimulate the economy. My guess is that the vast majority would have favored those the polices a opposed to just the opposite in support for the healthcare reform. Five years in, we would in my opinion be hitting on all cylinders had wages, jobs and taxes been addressed.
Here's why your proposal wouldn't work, Pat.

"President Obama has called for an increase in the national rate, mentioning it in his most recent State of the Union address and recently signing on to a proposal from congressional Democrats to set a $10.10 hourly rate. But congressional Republicans have opposed any increase, saying it would hurt employers and curtail job growth."

Even $10.10/hour isn't a living wage.

What tax and trade reforms would you have presented to the congress, and since reps won't vote for anything Obama proposes, how would you implement them?
"There were 204,000 jobs added to payrolls in October, about 80,000 more than economists expected. But the jobless rate edged up to 7.3 percent from 7.2 percent the month before, .

It appears that early October's 16-day partial government shutdown was largely responsible for that uptick in the jobless rate. Meanwhile, employers showed some confidence in the economy by continuing to add to their payrolls even as lawmakers in Washington argued over the federal budget."

That doesn't look like unemployment is edging up to me.

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Speaking of priorities, Pat, perhaps the right wing Tea Party House Republicans should have concentrated on jobs and increasing the minimum wage rather than placing all of their efforts on stopping anything proposed by President Obama as evidence by the 30 to 40 votes taken regarding repealing the ACA.
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If they had repealed it, they would have saved jobs; there have already been many cuts and we haven't seen anything yet. Wait until the employer mandate hits, of course now Obi has backed that up until after the election. Any sensible person knows why he did that.
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Given the need of 30 million people, according to yo, Pat, the answer is YES.
OK. Then your priority match the president's. I think working towards and spending political capital on passing a living wage bill would have done far greater good in the country. A president only has so much political capital and when first sworn in, that was when a similar all out effort would have in my opinion, resulted in a living wage for American workers. I would have followed up in priority a set of tax reforms and trade reforms designed to stimulate the economy. My guess is that the vast majority would have favored those the polices a opposed to just the opposite in support for the healthcare reform. Five years in, we would in my opinion be hitting on all cylinders had wages, jobs and taxes been addressed.
Here's why your proposal wouldn't work, Pat.

"President Obama has called for an increase in the national rate, mentioning it in his most recent State of the Union address and recently signing on to a proposal from congressional Democrats to set a $10.10 hourly rate. But congressional Republicans have opposed any increase, saying it would hurt employers and curtail job growth."

Even $10.10/hour isn't a living wage.

What tax and trade reforms would you have presented to the congress, and since reps won't vote for anything Obama proposes, how would you implement them?
Yes Neal, the president used up his political capital, which would explain his difficulty in addressing wages five years in. As far as trade and tax proposals I would suggest reforms that accomplish two things, the same as our trading partners. Protect American jobs and manufacturing. Rewarding companies for off shoring which we now do, destroys jobs and decreases manufacturing capacity.
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Given the need of 30 million people, according to yo, Pat, the answer is YES.
OK. Then your priority match the president's. I think working towards and spending political capital on passing a living wage bill would have done far greater good in the country. A president only has so much political capital and when first sworn in, that was when a similar all out effort would have in my opinion, resulted in a living wage for American workers. I would have followed up in priority a set of tax reforms and trade reforms designed to stimulate the economy. My guess is that the vast majority would have favored those the polices a opposed to just the opposite in support for the healthcare reform. Five years in, we would in my opinion be hitting on all cylinders had wages, jobs and taxes been addressed.
Here's why your proposal wouldn't work, Pat.

"President Obama has called for an increase in the national rate, mentioning it in his most recent State of the Union address and recently signing on to a proposal from congressional Democrats to set a $10.10 hourly rate. But congressional Republicans have opposed any increase, saying it would hurt employers and curtail job growth."

Even $10.10/hour isn't a living wage.

What tax and trade reforms would you have presented to the congress, and since reps won't vote for anything Obama proposes, how would you implement them?
Yes Neal, the president used up his political capital, which would explain his difficulty in addressing wages five years in. As far as trade and tax proposals I would suggest reforms that accomplish two things, the same as our trading partners. Protect American jobs and manufacturing. Rewarding companies for off shoring which we now do, destroys jobs and decreases manufacturing capacity.
I'm not interested in goals. I want to know how you would go about getting it done.
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If so, Pat, it appears that the right wing Tea Party House Republicans used up all of their political capital refusing to allow the Obama
Administration to do anything rather than fighting for living wages and the creation of jobs. In fact, they even closed down the government creating a spike in unemployment.

Is that the kind of priority in spending political capital that you support, Pat? I am sure that a few here do, but I believe that you have a bit more common sense than that.
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