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| Banandangees | Dec 9 2013, 10:36 PM Post #161 |
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Who do you consider ordinary people? Boy, you're making some very real opinionated judgments concerning Pat. You have no idea of Pat's struggles in life, yet you seem to have no reservations about making that judgment. It's not a struggle to manage and maintain a successful business, raise a family? Is it more of a struggle to live off the system? Your fourth sentence is a giant leap of opinion. That's like saying that being black folks who live in the south side of Chicago or who live and have lived in your home state of Georgia has nothing to do with how well off they are. You have no sympathy for Pat who undoubtedly must have some struggles to maintain and grow what his grandfather passed on and that he passed on, yet you have sympathy for the struggles of those who (and there are many) who live off the system, provide no contribution to the GDP, and primarily exist off the efforts of others. Pat's efforts provided employment for some of those who would have more struggles than would be otherwise. |
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| Pat | Dec 9 2013, 11:07 PM Post #162 |
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I'm certainly not going to apologize for adhering to the traditions of my forefathers and living the principles that made this country great. And yes, that does explain it. |
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| Pat | Dec 9 2013, 11:10 PM Post #163 |
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What is the administration going to do, hold a gun to the head and force a doctor to or hospital to work at a loss? California's state-run Obamacare health insurance exchange, Covered California, is touted by the Obama administration as a model of the policy's success. That was, in fact, the political strategy all along, as Obama's non-profit organization, Organizing for Action, focused on helping California's rollout effort. But in addition to inflated web traffic numbers and privacy concerns, Covered California now faces an acute doctor shortage. An estimated 70% of California doctors will not participate in the Obamacare-compliant health insurance policies offered by Covered California, according to the California Medical Association, as reported by the Washington Examiner. Though Covered California claims that 85% of doctors will participate, many doctors listed as participating are expected to decline payment, having learned that reimbursements will be very low. The shortage of physicians was already expected to be a challenge for Obamacare, given that millions of new patients would potentially be demanding medical services. However, that shortage may now be even more acute than expected, particularly in Obamacare's flagship state. Reimbursement rates in California for federal programs like Medicare were already among the lowest in the nation, the Examiner's Richard Pollock notes. |
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| Neutral | Dec 9 2013, 11:14 PM Post #164 |
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It keeps getting worse, meanwhile people are going to be hurt. |
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| Mountainrivers | Dec 9 2013, 11:19 PM Post #165 |
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Read this Ban, and tell me that Pat or you or most people have any idea what it's like to be born into a family like this one. I don't criticize Pat for what he has, but he can't identify with kids raised like these kids in the story. You claim to work with the poor, but I seriously doubt you know all the hardships that kids like these are subjected to daily. How can we ever expect these kids to excel at much of anything when they have to deal with such horrible conditions. Drug addicted parents, social humiliation, lack of nourishing food, no place to really call home, hope that continues to be deflated. No, Pat can't identify with that, and I think that's the reason for him and other more affluent people to think that it's easy to get up and make something of yourself. NY Times Edited by Mountainrivers, Dec 9 2013, 11:21 PM.
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| Pat | Dec 9 2013, 11:29 PM Post #166 |
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What's that NY Times article say, I'm using the granddaughter's computer this week with Window's 8.1, for some reason many articles and videos are blank when I click on the link. |
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| Mountainrivers | Dec 9 2013, 11:36 PM Post #167 |
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It focuses on a little black girl living in NY city in a shelter with her parents and several other children. The fetid conditions they live in, the lack of money for good food and clothes, the humiliation she endures in her rundown school due to living in a shelter. The nearness of immense wealth and her reaction to it. It's a sad story repeated in many places around the country about children who grow up in horrible conditions and how difficult it is for them to comprehend. When kids are subjected to that kind of environment, it's not too hard to realize that they become like their parents. |
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| Mountainrivers | Dec 9 2013, 11:37 PM Post #168 |
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Go to the NY Times website and click on the story. |
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| Pat | Dec 9 2013, 11:51 PM Post #169 |
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As you know Neal I believe that with all the resources available from education to social services, people can and should pull themselves up and out of situations like you described. OK, so the argument can be that it is too difficult, that not everybody will do that. Well in such a case the truly unfortunate situation may very well be that we are interfering with natural law and selection. Yea I know that is very cold hearted to even suggest such a thing. OK, then is it cold hearted to neuter people that as adults won't act on the basic instinct to survive and prosper, after all we are at the top of the food chain as a species? I agree that it can be heart wrenching to witness the adverse conditions that people willingly place their offspring in, but after stuffing the Salvation Army bucket, donating time and money to public service causes, what the hell more are we supposed to do? There has not been a more coddled population on the planet, for crying out loud the very shelter these people use, the food they eat, the clothes they wear, the medical care they receive, the parks and playgrounds they enjoy, the education they receive, when is enough enough? Who the hell told, them to get addicted to drugs? Who told them to drop out of school? I'm solid with Senator Paul on this, we are doing a disservice to coddle people beyond what should be reasonable. I'm sorry this little kid is where she is, but it's not like there are no resources she can use for free to pull herself up and out, others do. What would you suggest Neal, we all have some kind of harness on our backs so we can carry one of these people around with us and tend to their every need and desire? |
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| Mountainrivers | Dec 9 2013, 11:57 PM Post #170 |
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She's a little girl, Pat! You didn't read the article did you? |
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