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Obama's Budget Abdication Breaks 92 Year Tradition
Topic Started: Mar 13 2013, 02:23 AM (614 Views)
Thumper
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So, Obama is not abiding by the law? Why isn't he challenged by the Senate or some special prosecuter?
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Mar 13 2013, 03:30 AM
I repeat, Pat, it is Congreess" Constituional responsibillity to develop a budget. So, why do you consider doing so a "waste of time?"

From US Constitution: "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

Furthermore from the US Constitution: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"

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All true, but as with most legislation' both the senate and president provide their version so that the negotions can begin and reconcilliatin accomplished. Rember, the president can veto legislation, so it is important to see what he wants included or not.

You will find this explained in the senate and house rules.
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Pat
Mar 13 2013, 06:16 AM
colo_crawdad
Mar 13 2013, 03:30 AM
I repeat, Pat, it is Congreess" Constituional responsibillity to develop a budget. So, why do you consider doing so a "waste of time?"

From US Constitution: "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

Furthermore from the US Constitution: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"

LINK

All true, but as with most legislation' both the senate and president provide their version so that the negotions can begin and reconcilliatin accomplished. Rember, the president can veto legislation, so it is important to see what he wants included or not.

You will find this explained in the senate and house rules.
Why does Neutral think that if the President follows the Constitution, he is derelict in his job? Generally, behavior that follows the Constitution is commendable not deselection.
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LOL He is not following law Colo, why you can't grasp that is puzzling because it's been posted several times.
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I understand that the Prez is to submit his budget as required by law. If he hasn't, he is breaking the law. Where is the argument???
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Neut,

Do you think a law that clearly violates the constitution should be faithfully followed? BTW, please post the title, date and number of the "law" in question.

Never mind. It is: USC › Title 31 › Subtitle II › Chapter 11 › § 1105prevnext..31 USC § 1105 - Budget contents and submission to Congress. That is the act of Congress unconstitutionally requires the President to do what the Constitution clearly mandates be done by the legislature.

Frankly, I would rather the President adhere to the constitution and tell congress top do the hob for which they were elected. But it might be an interesting case to be brought before the Supreme Court.
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BTW, here is the entire law. Note that there is no indication of any enforcement provision or penalty if such budget is not submitted.
USC › Title 31 › Subtitle II › Chapter 11 › § 1105prevnext..31 USC § 1105 - Budget contents and submission to Congress
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I think it is more directed to congressional needs, but none the less an important cog in the legislative process. Obama keeps claiming that the house is obstructing legislation, I think he needs to do his end in a timely manner. Four months into a second term is far from timely in my opinion.
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Mar 13 2013, 08:51 AM
I understand that the Prez is to submit his budget as required by law. If he hasn't, he is breaking the law. Where is the argument???
You are correct, I don't know what Colo's argument is either. He is breaking the law and that is the subject. Why he gets by with it is the question I think you asked earlier Thumper.
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It isn't a law unless there is a penalty attached.
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