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Obie Says Defense He Opposed Can Handle North Korea
Topic Started: Mar 12 2013, 02:35 AM (1,045 Views)
Neutral
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His words don't lie and I posted Obie's words. Now you libs can pretend he didn't say it or play like his words were altered if you like.
IBD is a great source too, maybe they lean right, that doesn't make them liars.

Colo, you insult me when you try to play a game that the youtube video was altered. :bounce:
Edited by Neutral, Mar 12 2013, 11:41 PM.
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Mar 12 2013, 10:04 PM
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Mar 12 2013, 12:47 PM
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Mar 12 2013, 08:16 AM
OK, so what exactly are you doubting, that Obama made no such statement? If you tell me, I'll try to track down the quote and source.

Are you arguing against the points I posted, that I'm lying about the government reports posted in the media, or that they are lying?

I need something to go on here. At least tell me what you disagree with, I admit I might be wrong or the sources I read or saw on TV were lying to me. I don't live in Korea nor am I an government analyst, like you guys, I depend on research. But again, maybe the research is flawed.


Pat, the IBD article is, like so many Right Wing posts, so paranoid as to make no sense.

Please read these:
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In a campaign video shown to the far left group, Caucus for Priorities, a month before the January 2008 Iowa caucuses, candidate Obama pledged, "I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space." And he kept his word.

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Carney added that "our recent success in returning to testing of the upgraded version of the so-called GBI (ground based interceptor), or the CE2 missile, will keep us on a good trajectory to improve our defense capability against limited ballistic missile threats such as those from North Korea. But let's be clear, we are fully capable of dealing with that threat."

From these two quotes, IBD came to the amazing conclusion that Obama had weakened ballistic missile defense, and is therefore lying somehow.

But a review of what was really said shows no such thing. In the first quote, Obama is talking about unproven space weapons. In the second, the discussion is about ground based interceptors, totally different things.

IBD has conflated two totally independent systems and come to a ridiculous, paranoid conclusion.

So are they "lying" about what was said? No.

Considering the facts are true, is the "research" flawed? No

Are they lying about Obama and his intentions? Absolutely.

That's the way IBD and most other Right Wing sites operate.

And it has taken me some time and better than half a page to prove IBD is doing what they always do, and which I was sure would be the case before I started.

Do you really think I should have to do this for every one of these anti-Obama rants?

Now you know why we dismiss so many of these Right Wing sites out of hand.
Brew,

I sincerely wonder if Neutral is capable of understanding what you just posted. I am confident that Pat is and I expect him to agree with your analysis and thank you for it.
It now appears that I was correct in the first case. I will have to wait and see if I was correct about Pat's response.
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You're not capable of having a discussion without disrupting, insulting or playing your childish game Colo.
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Mar 12 2013, 11:46 PM
You're not capable of having a discussion without disrupting, insulting or playing your childish game Colo.
Probably true -- in YOUR FANTASY WORLD, Neutral. What perceived "insult" are you whining about now?
Edited by colo_crawdad, Mar 12 2013, 11:50 PM.
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It's all on this thread and now I am not going to help you any further.
I proved beyond a doubt Obama said he was against the defense.
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Neutral,

You have NEVER done anything to help me in the past. Why should I expect you to start now? After all it was me who argued several times in the past to keep you from being banned from various forums, not the other way around. Remember?
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Maybe he knows deep down it will never work? I have serious doubts it will.
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Mar 12 2013, 11:54 PM
Neutral,

You have NEVER done anything to help me in the past. Why should I expect you to start now? After all it was me who argued several times in the past to keep you from being banned from various forums, not the other way around. Remember?
Now you're going to disrupt further with that same old lie?
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What lie?
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Kiss and make up guys.
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