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Obie Says Defense He Opposed Can Handle North Korea
Topic Started: Mar 12 2013, 02:35 AM (1,046 Views)
colo_crawdad
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If you are gullible enough to accept YouTube posts as non=edited, reliable, and credible reports, so be it. Enjoy your gullibility. I will pass.

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Thumper
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Wht is IBD so political (ie GOP) being that it is for investors. Isn't investing really apolitical?
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Pat
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Mar 12 2013, 09:17 AM
I am not being obtuse. I know well how easy it is to edit material for posting on YouTube. Are you playing obtuse and calamining that you did not know that? I didn't even ask for just "links." I asked for some credible non biased evidence or evidence from a left leaning or a right leaning source that has links to support their assertions. I haven't seen you provide any yet. Maybe refusing to provide such links is just a "game" to you. That's okay, I will just ignore the right wing blogs assertions for lack of real supporting evidence and conclude that we just don't know.
Yes you have now devolved to being obtuse on this subject. My god, the video evidence has been presented, you are realy, really reaching Colo. Beyond reason and logic.
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colo_crawdad
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Is that right, Pat? Are you also so gullible as to take anything posted on YouTube at face value? Do you have any idea how easy it is to edit and change the entire context of a person's statements?
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Those clips can be verified, now I suppose you can't do that either can you Colo? lol


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President Obama's 2010 defense budget cut $1.4 billion from the Missile Defense Agency's budget. The cuts included scaling back the Airborne Laser boost-phase program, terminating the Multiple Kill Vehicle and Kinetic Energy Interceptor, canceling the expansion of those same ground-based interceptors in Alaska and California, and delaying funding for interceptor and radar sites in Poland and the Czech Republic.


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Carney added that "our recent success in returning to testing of the upgraded version of the so-called GBI (ground based interceptor), or the CE2 missile, will keep us on a good trajectory to improve our defense capability against limited ballistic missile threats such as those from North Korea. But let's be clear, we are fully capable of dealing with that threat."


Look at these two quotes from the link. Just because he cut the missile defense budget, doesn't automatically mean we aren't capable of dealing with the threat.

And, BTW Neut does constantly post from right wing slanted sites, that he and all the other Obama hating geezers love to quote.
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I don't think anyone has said we weren't capable of handling the threat, what we did say is that the threat will be handled by a program Obie said he was against.

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Mar 12 2013, 08:16 AM
OK, so what exactly are you doubting, that Obama made no such statement? If you tell me, I'll try to track down the quote and source.

Are you arguing against the points I posted, that I'm lying about the government reports posted in the media, or that they are lying?

I need something to go on here. At least tell me what you disagree with, I admit I might be wrong or the sources I read or saw on TV were lying to me. I don't live in Korea nor am I an government analyst, like you guys, I depend on research. But again, maybe the research is flawed.


Pat, the IBD article is, like so many Right Wing posts, so paranoid as to make no sense.

Please read these:
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In a campaign video shown to the far left group, Caucus for Priorities, a month before the January 2008 Iowa caucuses, candidate Obama pledged, "I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space." And he kept his word.

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Carney added that "our recent success in returning to testing of the upgraded version of the so-called GBI (ground based interceptor), or the CE2 missile, will keep us on a good trajectory to improve our defense capability against limited ballistic missile threats such as those from North Korea. But let's be clear, we are fully capable of dealing with that threat."

From these two quotes, IBD came to the amazing conclusion that Obama had weakened ballistic missile defense, and is therefore lying somehow.

But a review of what was really said shows no such thing. In the first quote, Obama is talking about unproven space weapons. In the second, the discussion is about ground based interceptors, totally different things.

IBD has conflated two totally independent systems and come to a ridiculous, paranoid conclusion.

So are they "lying" about what was said? No.

Considering the facts are true, is the "research" flawed? No

Are they lying about Obama and his intentions? Absolutely.

That's the way IBD and most other Right Wing sites operate.

And it has taken me some time and better than half a page to prove IBD is doing what they always do, and which I was sure would be the case before I started.

Do you really think I should have to do this for every one of these anti-Obama rants?

Now you know why we dismiss so many of these Right Wing sites out of hand.
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Mar 12 2013, 12:47 PM
Pat
Mar 12 2013, 08:16 AM
OK, so what exactly are you doubting, that Obama made no such statement? If you tell me, I'll try to track down the quote and source.

Are you arguing against the points I posted, that I'm lying about the government reports posted in the media, or that they are lying?

I need something to go on here. At least tell me what you disagree with, I admit I might be wrong or the sources I read or saw on TV were lying to me. I don't live in Korea nor am I an government analyst, like you guys, I depend on research. But again, maybe the research is flawed.


Pat, the IBD article is, like so many Right Wing posts, so paranoid as to make no sense.

Please read these:
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In a campaign video shown to the far left group, Caucus for Priorities, a month before the January 2008 Iowa caucuses, candidate Obama pledged, "I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space." And he kept his word.

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Carney added that "our recent success in returning to testing of the upgraded version of the so-called GBI (ground based interceptor), or the CE2 missile, will keep us on a good trajectory to improve our defense capability against limited ballistic missile threats such as those from North Korea. But let's be clear, we are fully capable of dealing with that threat."

From these two quotes, IBD came to the amazing conclusion that Obama had weakened ballistic missile defense, and is therefore lying somehow.

But a review of what was really said shows no such thing. In the first quote, Obama is talking about unproven space weapons. In the second, the discussion is about ground based interceptors, totally different things.

IBD has conflated two totally independent systems and come to a ridiculous, paranoid conclusion.

So are they "lying" about what was said? No.

Considering the facts are true, is the "research" flawed? No

Are they lying about Obama and his intentions? Absolutely.

That's the way IBD and most other Right Wing sites operate.

And it has taken me some time and better than half a page to prove IBD is doing what they always do, and which I was sure would be the case before I started.

Do you really think I should have to do this for every one of these anti-Obama rants?

Now you know why we dismiss so many of these Right Wing sites out of hand.
Brew,

I sincerely wonder if Neutral is capable of understanding what you just posted. I am confident that Pat is and I expect him to agree with your analysis and thank you for it.
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Any clear thinking individual will after just one visit to the IBD website, conclude that it is very biased against Obama and will publish garbage. This thread is an example. My question is why? As an investor, I don't care about politics. My guess is that Neutral knows this and is merely using it as a site for for gathering ammo for his troll posts. I see IBD quoted in the future, I will pass as I do on all of Bertricia's references.
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