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Holder: Drone Strikes Against Americans On U. S. Soil Are Legal
Topic Started: Mar 6 2013, 10:45 AM (1,122 Views)
colo_crawdad
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Banandangees
Mar 7 2013, 02:17 AM
colo_crawdad
Mar 7 2013, 01:54 AM
Pat
Mar 7 2013, 01:29 AM
colo_crawdad
Mar 7 2013, 01:27 AM
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Mar 7 2013, 01:18 AM
colo_crawdad
Mar 7 2013, 01:13 AM
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Mar 7 2013, 12:56 AM
Mountainrivers
Mar 6 2013, 07:11 PM
Were you guys as concerned when Bush sent Air Force planes to shoot down that plane they thought might have been headed for the White House or Capitol on 9/11? What's the difference?
Are you going to now resort to a strawman in defense of this action, or lambast it Neal. Which side are you on?
Apples and oranges. The Bush actually took those actions to legalize and use torture, to invade privacy with warrantless searches and attempting to shoot down an airliner. The Obama Administration has suggested that hypothetically drones might me used in a dire emergency. The Obama Administration has taken no action other than think a rational discussion could be engaged in with Rand Paul.
Listen Colo, we know all about Bush, that was years ago. Right now the threat is Obama, can you understand that concept? Your guy is eroding our friggin constitutional protections and thinks it's grand to whack you with a drone. And we know all about the misfire of drones in Afghanistan. Are citizens on our soil now going to be considered just collateral damage?
That's is what I said. Comparing the Obama administration to the Bush Administration is foolish. The Bush Administration acted to limit freedoms and encourage torture. The Obama Administration hasn't acted to use drones against Americans on American soil.
In my opinion, they are greasing the skids to do just that.
Because that is how the Republicans did it in the past?
Of course you aren't counting the Johnson administration, right? He was a Democrat. I mean, look at all he did for our poor. That more than offsets what his leadership did for the Vietnamese.
And, Johnson greased "the skids to do just that" how?
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Back to the issue at hand. If I might ask bluntly to Colo, Ken, Tom, and Neal, do you favor executing an American on our soil, absent due process and judicial involvement? I'm not saying some idiot that is in the act of killing or maiming others, and you stop them from continuing, I'm talking about a decision to send a drone over to their home or other location, and kill them, because you think they are a bad guy? If so, this is a departure from any reasonable practices by authorities that I'm aware of. Even when a cop and witnesses sees a person kill somebody, they are not summarily executed without due legal process.

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A public relations nightmare for the president and Holder. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/6/rand-paul-filibusters-brennan-nomination-cia-direc/
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Mar 7 2013, 05:26 AM
Back to the issue at hand. If I might ask bluntly to Colo, Ken, Tom, and Neal, do you favor executing an American on our soil, absent due process and judicial involvement? I'm not saying some idiot that is in the act of killing or maiming others, and you stop them from continuing, I'm talking about a decision to send a drone over to their home or other location, and kill them, because you think they are a bad guy? If so, this is a departure from any reasonable practices by authorities that I'm aware of. Even when a cop and witnesses sees a person kill somebody, they are not summarily executed without due legal process.

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That depends on circumstances as we've all said, Ban. A simple yes or no answer to your question is impossible, not knowing the details.
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Remember when our government killed those in Waco?
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Executing..no. If they are a danger to the public yes.
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How can they be a danger to the public when they are at home in bed?

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Mar 7 2013, 08:55 AM
How can they be a danger to the public when they are at home in bed?

Perhaps you need to re read Holder5s statements. They had absolutely nothing to do with killing people at home in bed.
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Mar 7 2013, 10:42 AM
Berton
Mar 7 2013, 08:55 AM
How can they be a danger to the public when they are at home in bed?

Perhaps you need to re read Holder5s statements. They had absolutely nothing to do with killing people at home in bed.

You need to catch up Colo_crawdad. I was giving a direct answer to the statement campingken made.

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I find he American right's theatrics and rhetoric about killing Americans without due process somewhat amusing. Every time a police office kills someone shooting at the police officer, he has killed someone without the benefit of due process. Is the American right opposed to policemen carrying deadly weapons or using them? Is the American right also opposed to civilians carrying weapons and killing others without the procedure of due process? Has the American right already determined the guilt of Zimmerman? I would imagine the answer to all of these question by the American right would be a hypocritical "no." But who on the right is concerned about such hypocrisy?
Edited by colo_crawdad, Mar 7 2013, 11:51 PM.
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