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Topic Started: Mar 6 2013, 07:07 AM (1,196 Views)
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Berton
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Mar 7 2013, 10:24 PM
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But you are right about him waiting until the 2014 elections.... that's the purpose of his constant blaming the Republicans for everything, the pending "sky is falling" campaigning from state to state (instead of doing what Christie would do - get them in a room and happer it out for the benefit of the nation), ... he wants the House so he can force his far left agenda on the nation. That is and has been his focus since day one, now it's ALL OUT, full steam ahead GOP bashing. The majority thinks spending is out of control now.... what 'till Obama gets the House. Until then, nothing will happen... nothing. And he does it all for the benefit of the nation  Yeah, right. We'll probably end up just like Venezuela by the time he's through.
You continue to ignore the deal he made with Boehner and which reps rejected out of hand. It's time you stopped drinking the Faux News kool-aid and look at the other side of issues.
You keep forgetting that Obama called Boehner after the deal was made and tried to change it by upping the tax revenue amount. Obama was probably afraid the Republicans would take the original deal which would upset his plans. You need to expand your drinking from the far left wing liberal media kool-aid so you get the complete picture.
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Mountainrivers
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Mar 7 2013, 10:25 PM
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But you are right about him waiting until the 2014 elections.... that's the purpose of his constant blaming the Republicans for everything, the pending "sky is falling" campaigning from state to state (instead of doing what Christie would do - get them in a room and happer it out for the benefit of the nation), ... he wants the House so he can force his far left agenda on the nation. That is and has been his focus since day one, now it's ALL OUT, full steam ahead GOP bashing. The majority thinks spending is out of control now.... what 'till Obama gets the House. Until then, nothing will happen... nothing. And he does it all for the benefit of the nation  Yeah, right. We'll probably end up just like Venezuela by the time he's through.
You continue to ignore the deal he made with Boehner and which reps rejected out of hand. It's time you stopped drinking the Faux News kool-aid and look at the other side of issues.
You keep forgetting that Obama called Boehner after the deal was made and tried to change it by upping the tax revenue amount. Obama was probably afraid the Republicans would take the original deal which would upset his plans. Obama had two deals with the reps. He chose the better one. What would you do, given that scenario?
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Mar 7 2013, 10:30 PM
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But you are right about him waiting until the 2014 elections.... that's the purpose of his constant blaming the Republicans for everything, the pending "sky is falling" campaigning from state to state (instead of doing what Christie would do - get them in a room and happer it out for the benefit of the nation), ... he wants the House so he can force his far left agenda on the nation. That is and has been his focus since day one, now it's ALL OUT, full steam ahead GOP bashing. The majority thinks spending is out of control now.... what 'till Obama gets the House. Until then, nothing will happen... nothing. And he does it all for the benefit of the nation  Yeah, right. We'll probably end up just like Venezuela by the time he's through.
You continue to ignore the deal he made with Boehner and which reps rejected out of hand. It's time you stopped drinking the Faux News kool-aid and look at the other side of issues.
You keep forgetting that Obama called Boehner after the deal was made and tried to change it by upping the tax revenue amount. Obama was probably afraid the Republicans would take the original deal which would upset his plans.
Obama had two deals with the reps. He chose the better one. What would you do, given that scenario?
No he made a deal with Boehner and then changed it. Would you accept such a deal? If you agreed to the price of a new car with the dealer but then later when the sale document was presented to you for you to sign and pay for the car, it had a larger price for you to pay would you accept the increase?
You need to expand your news sources so you can get the complete picture.
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Mar 7 2013, 10:42 PM
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He won't stay off the air. Everywhere you turn, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN.... everywhere... there he is, prophesying disaster if'n he doesn't get his way. Scaring the pants off his followers and how much they stand to lose. Chasm building. Busy, busy, busy... if only he'd get the senators (both parties) and Congress (both parties) in for a "sit down." and don't come out until the fiscal mess is straightened out. Lead for a change... that would be refreshing. Lead instead of dividing.
He's done exactly that, Ban and the reps have refused to cooperate every time. Why should he continue to make himself look foolish?
You don't negotiate and compromise through campaigning from state to state, you sit down in a room (like Christie said) with members from both parties and negotiate there, and compromise there. Maybe he is "attempting" to do that by inviting a few of the GOP to dinner tonight... but how do you negotiate and compromise something the size of our budget, deficit and debt over one dinner? The truth is, he has had very little "negotiating contact" with Republican or Democrat members of the House and Senate. If he offered up a "budget" for the members to consider, like he said, why didn't at least the majority Senate Democrats rule and pass it?
He did that with Boehner and it got him nowhere. He's concluded that the only way to deal with the do-nothing reps is to appeal to the people and hope they will pressure the reps to compromise.
Can you show how often Obama has sat down with congressanal committees, to hammer out problems? Here is an example of his efforts: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/obama-jobs-council_n_1684221.htmlHe's too busy campaigning, after campaigning is over. No time to LEAD when there's campaigning to do.
He has met with them a number of times, but the meetings haven't produced anything concrete. I think he's decided to leave it to the 2014 elections and see how it turns out.
CAN YOU SHOW HOW OFTEN.... something besides " he met with them several times." How often in four years? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/04/AR2010110402629.html
http://nation.foxnews.com/fiscal-cliff/2012/11/09/click-here-watch-pres-obamas-address-fiscal-cliff-crisis-1-pm-et
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/us/politics/03bipartisan.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/us/politics/04web-zeleny.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/26/rahm-invites-moderate-rep_n_161069.html
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/04/13/supreme-court-vacancy-obama-invites-gop-to-white-house-meeting/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7630281
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/11/18/hoyer-gop-leaders-snubbed-obama/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/28/obama-to-host-white-house_n_161944.html
How many do you need, Ban?
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Mar 7 2013, 10:52 PM
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But you are right about him waiting until the 2014 elections.... that's the purpose of his constant blaming the Republicans for everything, the pending "sky is falling" campaigning from state to state (instead of doing what Christie would do - get them in a room and happer it out for the benefit of the nation), ... he wants the House so he can force his far left agenda on the nation. That is and has been his focus since day one, now it's ALL OUT, full steam ahead GOP bashing. The majority thinks spending is out of control now.... what 'till Obama gets the House. Until then, nothing will happen... nothing. And he does it all for the benefit of the nation  Yeah, right. We'll probably end up just like Venezuela by the time he's through.
You continue to ignore the deal he made with Boehner and which reps rejected out of hand. It's time you stopped drinking the Faux News kool-aid and look at the other side of issues.
You keep forgetting that Obama called Boehner after the deal was made and tried to change it by upping the tax revenue amount. Obama was probably afraid the Republicans would take the original deal which would upset his plans.
Obama had two deals with the reps. He chose the better one. What would you do, given that scenario?
No he made a deal with Boehner and then changed it. Would you accept such a deal? If you agreed to the price of a new car with the dealer but then later when the sale document was presented to you for you to sign and pay for the car, it had a larger price for you to pay would you accept the increase? You need to expand your news sources so you can get the complete picture. The gang of six had made a deal which they presented to the president. It was a better deal for him than the one he worked out with Boehner. That's why he called Boehner and told him he needed more revenue.
You need to expand your news sources so you can get the complete picture.
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Mar 8 2013, 02:05 AM
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But you are right about him waiting until the 2014 elections.... that's the purpose of his constant blaming the Republicans for everything, the pending "sky is falling" campaigning from state to state (instead of doing what Christie would do - get them in a room and happer it out for the benefit of the nation), ... he wants the House so he can force his far left agenda on the nation. That is and has been his focus since day one, now it's ALL OUT, full steam ahead GOP bashing. The majority thinks spending is out of control now.... what 'till Obama gets the House. Until then, nothing will happen... nothing. And he does it all for the benefit of the nation  Yeah, right. We'll probably end up just like Venezuela by the time he's through.
You continue to ignore the deal he made with Boehner and which reps rejected out of hand. It's time you stopped drinking the Faux News kool-aid and look at the other side of issues.
You keep forgetting that Obama called Boehner after the deal was made and tried to change it by upping the tax revenue amount. Obama was probably afraid the Republicans would take the original deal which would upset his plans.
Obama had two deals with the reps. He chose the better one. What would you do, given that scenario?
No he made a deal with Boehner and then changed it. Would you accept such a deal? If you agreed to the price of a new car with the dealer but then later when the sale document was presented to you for you to sign and pay for the car, it had a larger price for you to pay would you accept the increase? You need to expand your news sources so you can get the complete picture.
The gang of six had made a deal which they presented to the president. It was a better deal for him than the one he worked out with Boehner. That's why he called Boehner and told him he needed more revenue. You need to expand your news sources so you can get the complete picture.
The gang of 6 did not speak for Boehner now did they. The fact is he reigned on the deal he made with Boehner. I am happy to see that you finally admitted it. Remember it was your statement which said: "You continue to ignore the deal he made with Boehner and which reps rejected out of hand."
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Mar 8 2013, 02:17 AM
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Edited by Berton, Mar 8 2013, 02:18 AM.
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Mar 8 2013, 02:53 AM
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The left likes that gesture of Chavez calling Bush the devil.
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Mar 8 2013, 03:06 AM
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But you are right about him waiting until the 2014 elections.... that's the purpose of his constant blaming the Republicans for everything, the pending "sky is falling" campaigning from state to state (instead of doing what Christie would do - get them in a room and happer it out for the benefit of the nation), ... he wants the House so he can force his far left agenda on the nation. That is and has been his focus since day one, now it's ALL OUT, full steam ahead GOP bashing. The majority thinks spending is out of control now.... what 'till Obama gets the House. Until then, nothing will happen... nothing. And he does it all for the benefit of the nation  Yeah, right. We'll probably end up just like Venezuela by the time he's through.
You continue to ignore the deal he made with Boehner and which reps rejected out of hand. It's time you stopped drinking the Faux News kool-aid and look at the other side of issues.
You keep forgetting that Obama called Boehner after the deal was made and tried to change it by upping the tax revenue amount. Obama was probably afraid the Republicans would take the original deal which would upset his plans.
Obama had two deals with the reps. He chose the better one. What would you do, given that scenario?
No he made a deal with Boehner and then changed it. Would you accept such a deal? If you agreed to the price of a new car with the dealer but then later when the sale document was presented to you for you to sign and pay for the car, it had a larger price for you to pay would you accept the increase? You need to expand your news sources so you can get the complete picture.
The gang of six had made a deal which they presented to the president. It was a better deal for him than the one he worked out with Boehner. That's why he called Boehner and told him he needed more revenue. You need to expand your news sources so you can get the complete picture.
The gang of 6 did not speak for Boehner now did they. The fact is he reigned on the deal he made with Boehner. I am happy to see that you finally admitted it. Remember it was your statement which said: "You continue to ignore the deal he made with Boehner and which reps rejected out of hand." Apparently Boehner didn't speak for the Gang of Six now did he?
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Mar 8 2013, 03:06 AM
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The left likes that gesture of Chavez calling Bush the devil. You betcha!
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