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Hugo Chavez dies
Topic Started: Mar 6 2013, 07:07 AM (1,199 Views)
Mountainrivers
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Mar 7 2013, 02:01 PM
telcoman
Mar 7 2013, 04:54 AM
The American position on Chavez is what it is. The fact of the matter is he was freely elected by the Venezuelan people and he raised the living standards for the majority of them. He was a shoe in for re-election if he had lived long enough. Working for Venezuelans was his job, not pleasing or cow-toeing to a foreign power (the US). He was elected by the same process that the US fought a war of independence over. Why does the US seem to have such an issue with other countries exercising their independence & self determination? I have a lot of trouble understanding that one.
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All right wing writers and sites. How about a link or two to sites that aren't considered right wing.
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Mar 7 2013, 11:10 AM
Mountainrivers
Mar 7 2013, 06:39 AM
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Mar 7 2013, 05:46 AM
You define cooperation as going along with everything Obie wants. Sorry but it doesn't work that way.
A leader would be speaking with the Reps and finding a way to compromise, Obie either isn't capable or just doesn't want to.
No, cooperation is compromising. The reps have refused to compromise on anything. If you think they have, post it.
They let the tax increase get passed. Now your turn. Tell us of one specific example of where Obama wants to cut the spending.

Budget Control Act. Look it up.
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Mar 7 2013, 09:08 PM
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Mar 7 2013, 02:01 PM
telcoman
Mar 7 2013, 04:54 AM
The American position on Chavez is what it is. The fact of the matter is he was freely elected by the Venezuelan people and he raised the living standards for the majority of them. He was a shoe in for re-election if he had lived long enough. Working for Venezuelans was his job, not pleasing or cow-toeing to a foreign power (the US). He was elected by the same process that the US fought a war of independence over. Why does the US seem to have such an issue with other countries exercising their independence & self determination? I have a lot of trouble understanding that one.
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All right wing writers and sites. How about a link or two to sites that aren't considered right wing.
They don't exist. No left wing news source is going to print anything negative about liberals in this country, our liberal government or liberal governments elsewhere, even like the one Chavez conducted. Woodward tried that via the Washington Post and you saw what happened to him. But then, you already know that. Every lib knows that, that's why they keep using the "source" excuse when presented anything that sheds a negative light on "leftism." By the way, CNN is not a right wing news source.
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Mar 7 2013, 09:25 PM
Mountainrivers
Mar 7 2013, 09:08 PM
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Mar 7 2013, 02:01 PM
telcoman
Mar 7 2013, 04:54 AM
The American position on Chavez is what it is. The fact of the matter is he was freely elected by the Venezuelan people and he raised the living standards for the majority of them. He was a shoe in for re-election if he had lived long enough. Working for Venezuelans was his job, not pleasing or cow-toeing to a foreign power (the US). He was elected by the same process that the US fought a war of independence over. Why does the US seem to have such an issue with other countries exercising their independence & self determination? I have a lot of trouble understanding that one.
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All right wing writers and sites. How about a link or two to sites that aren't considered right wing.
They don't exist. No left wing news source is going to print anything negative about liberals in this country, our liberal government or liberal governments elsewhere, even like the one Chavez conducted. Woodward tried that via the Washington Post and you saw what happened to him. But then, you already know that. Every lib knows that, that's why they keep using the "source" excuse when presented anything that sheds a negative light on "leftism." By the way, CNN is not a right wing news source.
CNN isn't but the writer is. You make these off the wall statements as if they're facts. I see left leaning media criticizing liberals all the time. You only watch Faux News, and they tell you what to think and you repeat it.
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Mar 7 2013, 08:40 PM
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Mar 7 2013, 07:39 AM
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Mar 7 2013, 05:36 AM
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Mar 7 2013, 05:28 AM
He won't stay off the air. Everywhere you turn, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN.... everywhere... there he is, prophesying disaster if'n he doesn't get his way. Scaring the pants off his followers and how much they stand to lose. Chasm building. Busy, busy, busy... if only he'd get the senators (both parties) and Congress (both parties) in for a "sit down." and don't come out until the fiscal mess is straightened out. Lead for a change... that would be refreshing. Lead instead of dividing.
He's done exactly that, Ban and the reps have refused to cooperate every time. Why should he continue to make himself look foolish?
You don't negotiate and compromise through campaigning from state to state, you sit down in a room (like Christie said) with members from both parties and negotiate there, and compromise there. Maybe he is "attempting" to do that by inviting a few of the GOP to dinner tonight... but how do you negotiate and compromise something the size of our budget, deficit and debt over one dinner? The truth is, he has had very little "negotiating contact" with Republican or Democrat members of the House and Senate. If he offered up a "budget" for the members to consider, like he said, why didn't at least the majority Senate Democrats rule and pass it?
He did that with Boehner and it got him nowhere. He's concluded that the only way to deal with the do-nothing reps is to appeal to the people and hope they will pressure the reps to compromise.
Can you show how often Obama has sat down with congressanal committees, to hammer out problems?

Here is an example of his efforts:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/obama-jobs-council_n_1684221.html

He's too busy campaigning, after campaigning is over. No time to LEAD when there's campaigning to do.
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LOL. THIS is what we always get when presenting the facts. Libs won't accept facts even from CNN.
Who cares, the SOB is dead.
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Mar 7 2013, 09:33 PM
LOL. THIS is what we always get when presenting the facts. Libs won't accept facts even from CNN.
Who cares, the SOB is dead.
They aren't necessarily facts. What they are is someone's opinion and you bite every time.
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Mar 7 2013, 04:54 AM
The American position on Chavez is what it is. The fact of the matter is he was freely elected by the Venezuelan people and he raised the living standards for the majority of them. He was a shoe in for re-election if he had lived long enough. Working for Venezuelans was his job, not pleasing or cow-toeing to a foreign power (the US). He was elected by the same process that the US fought a war of independence over. Why does the US seem to have such an issue with other countries exercising their independence & self determination? I have a lot of trouble understanding that one.
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Venezuelan elections were monitored by several international groups and declared fair. As fair as any election is. certainly less controversy over them than there are over US federal elections. The method used to vote & tally are certainly more foolproof than in US federal elections. Ballots are done on a computer, a paper receipt is then deposited in another box and the totals tallied independently.

Venezuela voting process
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Mar 7 2013, 09:31 PM
Mountainrivers
Mar 7 2013, 08:40 PM
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Mar 7 2013, 07:39 AM
Mountainrivers
Mar 7 2013, 05:36 AM
Banandangees
Mar 7 2013, 05:28 AM
He won't stay off the air. Everywhere you turn, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN.... everywhere... there he is, prophesying disaster if'n he doesn't get his way. Scaring the pants off his followers and how much they stand to lose. Chasm building. Busy, busy, busy... if only he'd get the senators (both parties) and Congress (both parties) in for a "sit down." and don't come out until the fiscal mess is straightened out. Lead for a change... that would be refreshing. Lead instead of dividing.
He's done exactly that, Ban and the reps have refused to cooperate every time. Why should he continue to make himself look foolish?
You don't negotiate and compromise through campaigning from state to state, you sit down in a room (like Christie said) with members from both parties and negotiate there, and compromise there. Maybe he is "attempting" to do that by inviting a few of the GOP to dinner tonight... but how do you negotiate and compromise something the size of our budget, deficit and debt over one dinner? The truth is, he has had very little "negotiating contact" with Republican or Democrat members of the House and Senate. If he offered up a "budget" for the members to consider, like he said, why didn't at least the majority Senate Democrats rule and pass it?
He did that with Boehner and it got him nowhere. He's concluded that the only way to deal with the do-nothing reps is to appeal to the people and hope they will pressure the reps to compromise.
Can you show how often Obama has sat down with congressanal committees, to hammer out problems?

Here is an example of his efforts:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/obama-jobs-council_n_1684221.html

He's too busy campaigning, after campaigning is over. No time to LEAD when there's campaigning to do.
He has met with them a number of times, but the meetings haven't produced anything concrete. I think he's decided to leave it to the 2014 elections and see how it turns out.
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Mar 7 2013, 09:36 PM
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Mar 7 2013, 09:33 PM
LOL. THIS is what we always get when presenting the facts. Libs won't accept facts even from CNN.
Who cares, the SOB is dead.
They aren't necessarily facts. What they are is someone's opinion and you bite every time.

I have to wonder how much you looked into the Links by LINK:

http://www.vcrisis.com/Venezuela%20Presidential%20Referendum%20-%20Statistical%20Analysis%20May-2006.pdf

..unless you want to run your own "statistical study" to counter this one, you have little argument except for YOUR opinion.
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