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Hugo Chavez dies
Topic Started: Mar 6 2013, 07:07 AM (1,200 Views)
Mountainrivers
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Mar 7 2013, 05:46 AM
You define cooperation as going along with everything Obie wants. Sorry but it doesn't work that way.
A leader would be speaking with the Reps and finding a way to compromise, Obie either isn't capable or just doesn't want to.
No, cooperation is compromising. The reps have refused to compromise on anything. If you think they have, post it.
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Mountainrivers
Mar 7 2013, 05:36 AM
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Mar 7 2013, 05:28 AM
He won't stay off the air. Everywhere you turn, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN.... everywhere... there he is, prophesying disaster if'n he doesn't get his way. Scaring the pants off his followers and how much they stand to lose. Chasm building. Busy, busy, busy... if only he'd get the senators (both parties) and Congress (both parties) in for a "sit down." and don't come out until the fiscal mess is straightened out. Lead for a change... that would be refreshing. Lead instead of dividing.
He's done exactly that, Ban and the reps have refused to cooperate every time. Why should he continue to make himself look foolish?
You don't negotiate and compromise through campaigning from state to state, you sit down in a room (like Christie said) with members from both parties and negotiate there, and compromise there. Maybe he is "attempting" to do that by inviting a few of the GOP to dinner tonight... but how do you negotiate and compromise something the size of our budget, deficit and debt over one dinner? The truth is, he has had very little "negotiating contact" with Republican or Democrat members of the House and Senate. If he offered up a "budget" for the members to consider, like he said, why didn't at least the majority Senate Democrats rule and pass it?
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The Reps gave him spending cuts in Jan, not sure why he thinks they should compromise again.
As Ban said, it would be nice if Obie would quit campaigning and try leading for once.
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Mar 7 2013, 05:07 AM
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Mar 7 2013, 04:54 AM
The American position on Chavez is what it is. The fact of the matter is he was freely elected by the Venezuelan people and he raised the living standards for the majority of them. He was a shoe in for re-election if he had lived long enough. Working for Venezuelans was his job, not pleasing or cow-toeing to a foreign power (the US). He was elected by the same process that the US fought a war of independence over. Why does the US seem to have such an issue with other countries exercising their independence & self determination? I have a lot of trouble understanding that one.
Only the extreme right wing in America thinks our country is perfect. The rest of us can look at things realistically and know when we have done the wrong thing. Neut's "My country, right or wrong," is a perfect example of an ignorant, follow the line, sheeple attitude that has the rest of the world in the same wonderment you are in.
If the extreme right wing in America thinks our country is perfect, why do they express support for taking up arms against it? I guess tractors come i many colors and forms.
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You have a good point there Colo.
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Not sure who said it was perfect.
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Mar 7 2013, 06:39 AM
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Mar 7 2013, 05:46 AM
You define cooperation as going along with everything Obie wants. Sorry but it doesn't work that way.
A leader would be speaking with the Reps and finding a way to compromise, Obie either isn't capable or just doesn't want to.
No, cooperation is compromising. The reps have refused to compromise on anything. If you think they have, post it.
They let the tax increase get passed. Now your turn. Tell us of one specific example of where Obama wants to cut the spending.

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Gees Link, wasn't that a bit overkill. Folks will think there was a fair share of corruption going on down there masking the near hyper-inflation they're experiencing.

But, if we get a friendly in office to replace Chavez, maybe we can buy more cleaner oil than what we're buying from Canada. That would help, a little bit, the global warming trend. Buring cleaner oil is better than burning dirty oil I would think.

But anyway, maybe the Venezuelan people don't realize how much better they could have had it with all that oil and a more livable inflation rate.
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Mar 7 2013, 07:39 AM
Mountainrivers
Mar 7 2013, 05:36 AM
Banandangees
Mar 7 2013, 05:28 AM
He won't stay off the air. Everywhere you turn, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN.... everywhere... there he is, prophesying disaster if'n he doesn't get his way. Scaring the pants off his followers and how much they stand to lose. Chasm building. Busy, busy, busy... if only he'd get the senators (both parties) and Congress (both parties) in for a "sit down." and don't come out until the fiscal mess is straightened out. Lead for a change... that would be refreshing. Lead instead of dividing.
He's done exactly that, Ban and the reps have refused to cooperate every time. Why should he continue to make himself look foolish?
You don't negotiate and compromise through campaigning from state to state, you sit down in a room (like Christie said) with members from both parties and negotiate there, and compromise there. Maybe he is "attempting" to do that by inviting a few of the GOP to dinner tonight... but how do you negotiate and compromise something the size of our budget, deficit and debt over one dinner? The truth is, he has had very little "negotiating contact" with Republican or Democrat members of the House and Senate. If he offered up a "budget" for the members to consider, like he said, why didn't at least the majority Senate Democrats rule and pass it?
He did that with Boehner and it got him nowhere. He's concluded that the only way to deal with the do-nothing reps is to appeal to the people and hope they will pressure the reps to compromise.
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