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| Probablity that it will be Hillary clinton vs Jeb Bush in 2016; Read this flip flop and tell me if you agree or disagree | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 6 2013, 12:14 AM (467 Views) | |
| Pat | Mar 6 2013, 12:14 AM Post #1 |
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The name Jeb Bush has never wandered far from presidential speculation, yet he and his family have consistently shut down the rumors and efforts to draft him. I calculated that if a clear change in his message became apparent, then all bets were off Message received loud and clear and he is likely and strongly considering it. Until now, he has been fairly consistent in his future. Jeb's wife is Hispanic and his kids are thus bi-ethnicity. His son has been bantered about as a possible future politician that could carry on the family legacy, albeit from the new diversity angle sweeping our demographics. Like native Americans and blacks in former generations, it's hard not to have a Hispanic influence in the modern family. People mix. Now we have this flip flop in immigration stance to consider, and remember, this is from a guy who didn't need to make in flops. However, with Rubio gaining popularity as a future presidential candidate, Bush would need the opposite story. Rubio for reform and catering to a more modern republican--while Bush approaches from two angles, 1. his family Hispanic connections and 2., the candidate of the Tea Party and conservative right. A double wammy if pulled off. Hillary spent her time as a loyal trooper to the new left democrat party. She can call in those chips thus gaining Obama's muscle and clout. Plus good old boy Bill is by far, the smoothest operator this side of a carny shark and a three way peep show. So now my reasoning sways to what might be the obvious. Bush battling it our with the Hispanic Rubio, and wresting the conservative bloc from the challenger. And with Bush's family connections and insider skull and bones type machine, he might well win the day. But then there will be heavy weight Hillary. Old 'thunder thighs' is going to be really tough to beat this time around. She is smarter than them all and won't make the same mistakes twice. Get ready guys for a battle royal, let's hope we all live long enough to see this one play out. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/05/jeb-bush-pathway-to-citzenship_n_2810746.html Jeb Bush: 'I Don't Have A Problem' With A Pathway To Citizenship The Huffington Post | By Elise FoleyPosted: 03/05/2013 9:14 am EST | Updated: 03/05/2013 10:28 am EST Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) walked back one of his new book's principles on immigration reform on the same day it was released, telling MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Tuesday that he would support a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants if it could be done without creating a magnet for more unauthorized immigration. "So going forward -- we wrote this last year -- going forward, if there is a difference, you can craft that in law where you can have a path to citizenship where there isn't an incentive for people to come illegally, I'm for it," he said on MSNBC. "I don't have a problem with that. I don't see how you do it, but I'm not smart enough to figure out every aspect of a really complex law." Bush penned "Immigration Wars" with Republican lawyer Clint Bolick last year -- long before Republicans and Democrats began work on a comprehensive immigration reform that would allow some undocumented immigrants already in the United States to become citizens. "Immigration Wars" surprised many observers because it explicitly stated that undocumented immigrants should be ineligible for a path to citizenship. The former governor has said in the past that he would support such a measure, but states with Bolick in the book that it should not be included in immigration reform. In opposing a pathway, Bush put himself to the right of fellow Republicans such as Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). "It is absolutely vital to the integrity of our immigration system that actions have consequences -- in this case, that those who violated the law can remain but cannot obtain the cherished fruits of citizenship," Bush and Bolick write. "To do otherwise would signal once again that people who circumvent the system can still obtain the full benefits of American citizenship." Bush repeated on MSNBC that there must be "a difference between a path to citizenship or a path to legalization" to prevent "a magnet" for future unauthorized immigration. But he acknowledged twice that things had changed politically since he penned the book. Republican strategist Sally Bradshaw, his former chief of staff, explained his thinking to National Journal. "Gov. Bush has always wanted to move the party towards a bigger solution that would provide residency and a path to legal citizenship, but he knew it would require getting Republicans to the table," she told National Journal in an email. "This book and his recommendations reflect that situation and his attempt to get the GOP talking about a possible solution. The focus of this effort is legal residency and a completely redesigned immigration system." |
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| Mountainrivers | Mar 6 2013, 12:17 AM Post #2 |
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Hard to imagine either Jeb or Marco being able to overcome the anti-immigration stance of other republicans. Maybe in 4 years they can turn it around. |
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| Mountainrivers | Mar 6 2013, 12:18 AM Post #3 |
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I've had a belly full of the Bush's and Rubio is too right wing for me. I will consider Christie if he runs. |
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| Pat | Mar 6 2013, 12:19 AM Post #4 |
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Yep that will be a tough sell, but if republicans have not learned a lesson from running 90lb weaklings, then they never will. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 6 2013, 12:28 AM Post #5 |
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that match up could be, but both have to get nominated first. People may not respond to a 3 times bush dynasty. Or a 2 times Clinton one. |
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| Pat | Mar 6 2013, 12:30 AM Post #6 |
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That too is a possibility. Four years is a long time in politics. |
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| Sea Dog | Mar 6 2013, 12:43 AM Post #7 |
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At least, Jeb is the first smart Bush in a long time! |
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| Neutral | Mar 6 2013, 12:51 AM Post #8 |
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Way too early as Bush said last night. Let's hope Hillary is alive to watch too. lol |
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| Pat | Mar 6 2013, 12:53 AM Post #9 |
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It's no laughing matter, that is a possibility. I think her health is worse than has been let on. In the interview with Obama, she looked two steps from the grave. I think she had a stroke. |
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| Neutral | Mar 6 2013, 12:54 AM Post #10 |
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That Lewinski debacle had to take a toll on her, I'll bet she hates Slick. |
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