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Topic Started: Mar 3 2013, 08:34 AM (2,422 Views)
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Mountainrivers
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Mar 5 2013, 12:35 AM
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Sorry but what I've read on this board is hate from some libs.
Hate for ignorance and pity for those who buy into the scam perpetrated by right wing media.
As I see it, Tom (Neutral) is correct bout hate on this thread and Tom (Tomdrobin) is correct about this forum in general. Most of the hate on this forum tends to come from the right while hate on this specific thread seems to be coming from some of the folks that Neutral would classify as "libs."
I'm disappointed in you for characterizing my opinion about the actions of the Israeli government as being hate. Please explain yourself, if you can.
Read Ban's description of what happened in Germany. Any post attempting to discredit or belittle or reduce the significance of what happened in Germany is fueled by hatred. Who has done that, Colo? EXAMPLE PLEASE.
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colo_crawdad
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Mar 5 2013, 12:39 AM
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I am not going back through the thread. Several posts from folks who Neutral classifies as "libs" have been obvious attempts to discount, discredit, or reduce the significance of the Holocaust. If the shoe fits you . . .. Otherwise, why argue about it?
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Mar 5 2013, 12:42 AM
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Well, as the various links inmy original post suggest, most Jews across Europe were not wealthy, in fact most would have been considered poor by our standards.
I didn't claim they were. I was giving you one reason historians have given for the dislike of Jews. If that isn't true, you should take it up with the historians. Perhaps it was one reason that some "historians" give... that Jews were rich and had some influence on how Europe's economy was doing; but it doesn't justify why an intelligent community would murder ALL.... rich, middle class and poor ... because of some had wealth and influence. That would be like the US systematically killing 2/3 of all blacks because some are gaining too much influence in how our economy is declining.
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Mountainrivers
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Mar 5 2013, 12:49 AM
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I am not going back through the thread. Several posts from folks who Neutral classifies as "libs" have been obvious attempts to discount, discredit, or reduce the significance of the Holocaust. If the shoe fits you . . .. Otherwise, why argue about it? Because you have insinuated something that isn't true. That doesn't sound like you, but your refusal to post references to such accusations says something about you.
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Mar 5 2013, 12:50 AM
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Well, as the various links inmy original post suggest, most Jews across Europe were not wealthy, in fact most would have been considered poor by our standards.
I didn't claim they were. I was giving you one reason historians have given for the dislike of Jews. If that isn't true, you should take it up with the historians.
Perhaps it was one reason that some "historians" give... that Jews were rich and had some influence on how Europe's economy was doing; but it doesn't justify why an intelligent community would murder ALL.... rich, middle class and poor ... because of some had wealth and influence. That would be like the US systematically killing 2/3 of all blacks because some are gaining too much influence in how our economy is declining. Didn't say anything justified it. You are arguing with yourself.
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Mar 5 2013, 12:53 AM
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Sorry but what I've read on this board is hate from some libs.
Hate for ignorance and pity for those who buy into the scam perpetrated by right wing media.
As I see it, Tom (Neutral) is correct bout hate on this thread and Tom (Tomdrobin) is correct about this forum in general. Most of the hate on this forum tends to come from the right while hate on this specific thread seems to be coming from some of the folks that Neutral would classify as "libs."
I'm disappointed in you for characterizing my opinion about the actions of the Israeli government as being hate. Please explain yourself, if you can.
Read Ban's description of what happened in Germany. Any post attempting to discredit or belittle or reduce the significance of what happened in Germany is fueled by hatred.
Who has done that, Colo? EXAMPLE PLEASE. Then why dost thou protest so much when a topic of the Jews comes up..... something you have always done.
But to your question to Colo, I think you did that by diverting to other atrocities such as in Africa and the middle east which have nothing to do with what the Nasis did to the Jews in the 30s and early 40s in Eruope, which gives the appearance of what happened to the Jews during that time as not being uncommon; your defense of the Palestinians; your past complaints of "rich, influencial Jews" in the US. Most Jews in the US that I know, and I grew up around many, are far from wealthy. So why negatively associate the influence of rich Jews with ALL Jews.... why not just reflect negatively on rich, influencial people?
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Mountainrivers
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Mar 5 2013, 12:57 AM
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Sorry but what I've read on this board is hate from some libs.
Hate for ignorance and pity for those who buy into the scam perpetrated by right wing media.
As I see it, Tom (Neutral) is correct bout hate on this thread and Tom (Tomdrobin) is correct about this forum in general. Most of the hate on this forum tends to come from the right while hate on this specific thread seems to be coming from some of the folks that Neutral would classify as "libs."
I'm disappointed in you for characterizing my opinion about the actions of the Israeli government as being hate. Please explain yourself, if you can.
Read Ban's description of what happened in Germany. Any post attempting to discredit or belittle or reduce the significance of what happened in Germany is fueled by hatred.
Who has done that, Colo? EXAMPLE PLEASE.
Then why dost thou protest so much when a topic of the Jews comes up..... something you have always done. But to your question to Colo, I think you did that by diverting to other atrocities such as in Africa and the middle east which have nothing to do with what the Nasis did to the Jews in the 30s and early 40s in Eruope, which gives the appearance of what happened to the Jews during that time as not being uncommon; your defense of the Palestinians; your past complaints of "rich, influencial Jews" in the US. Most Jews in the US that I know, and I grew up around many, are far from wealthy. So why negatively associate the influence of rich Jews with ALL Jews.... why not just reflect negatively on rich, influencial people? We aren't talking about rich, influential people, we are talking about rich, influential Jews. It's obvious that you don't want to equate the holocaust to other genocides. Why is that? I don't and have never equated Zionists to all Jews and you can't show where I have. So stop making up stuff.
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Mar 5 2013, 01:17 AM
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Here is a list of posts on this thread that have been obvious attempts to discount, discredit, or reduce the significance of the Holocaust.
1, 9, 18, 21, 23. 24, and 33.
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Mountainrivers
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Mar 5 2013, 01:24 AM
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Here is a list of posts on this thread that have been obvious attempts to discount, discredit, or reduce the significance of the Holocaust.
1, 9, 18, 21, 23. 24, and 33. You've apparently gone over to the dark side on this topic, Colo. Questioning why some only think the holocaust in Germany was worth mentioning is somehow "hatred"? And, commenting on the Zionist lobby in the US, which has resulted in numerous problems for the US, is "hatred"? You really are confused.
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Mar 5 2013, 01:25 AM
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The "why" was Hitler wanted a superior race and he didn't think the Jews measured up. I thought everyone knew that.
Now the why is why do some on this board hate them? What did they do to you?
Ab additional "why" is that the right wing Nazis nee ed a scapegoat much like the right wing of today attempting blame all problems either on the undocumented workers or on the "libs." Thank goodness the world finally became aware of Hitler's games and hopefully are rapidly becoming aware of the similar games of the American hard right. As I understand it, the Nazis were leftists. Do you have any evidence to support they being to the right?
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