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Numbers are 'Unbelievable'
Topic Started: Mar 3 2013, 08:34 AM (2,419 Views)
colo_crawdad
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Mountainrivers
Mar 5 2013, 03:13 AM
colo_crawdad
Mar 5 2013, 03:04 AM
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Mar 5 2013, 02:48 AM
colo_crawdad
Mar 5 2013, 02:38 AM
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Mar 5 2013, 01:46 AM
Pat
Mar 5 2013, 01:33 AM
My question is simple. has mankind learned a thing since the holocaust in Nazi Germany? It doesn't appear so, we have them going on as I type and nothing substantial being done to stop them. Africa is a nightmare. Cambodia happened before the world's eyes. I have friends who lost family in Russia, Poland and Germany.
But, Pat, according to Ban and Colo, you can't bring up those atrocities in this thread. You have to apparently only say what they think you should say.
That is a blatant lie, Mr. I am offended that you would say such a thing about me. I am losing respect for you now.

But, then I guess it is easier for you to make things up rather than make any attempt to understand a different viewpoint.
What effort have you made to understand my very different viewpoint? You have accused me of hate, belittling the holocaust and offered nothing but your indoctrinated opinion to discredit mine. The solution for you is to look for reasons to doubt your support of Zionism and Israeli government policies. You would be surprised. And, except for the holocaust, which we have all said we agree was a terrible thing, you have offered nothing to convince us that we have any reason to support the Zionist state of Israel.
Yep, you continue to make stuff up. Why? I apologized if you intent was not fueled by hate and added that such posts certainly fuel hatred. Can you really not understand how such posts as many of your are read as attempts to reduce the significance of the Holocaust, the government organized effort to round up all Jews, put them in cattle cars and send them off to camps where there was competition for the most efficient and least expensive way to kill and dispose of them even while keeping meticulous records of such actions?
So, posting anything counter to your opinion fosters hate. Is that right? It's your interpretation of what we say that is fueling the hate.
I have never posted any such thing. Why are you still determined to make up things and attribute them to me? Do you think that somehow strengthens your argument?

Oh BTW, I intentionally eliminated the personal attack and insults from you last post.
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colo_crawdad
Mar 5 2013, 03:33 AM
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Mar 5 2013, 03:13 AM
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Mar 5 2013, 03:04 AM
Mountainrivers
Mar 5 2013, 02:48 AM
colo_crawdad
Mar 5 2013, 02:38 AM
Mountainrivers
Mar 5 2013, 01:46 AM
Pat
Mar 5 2013, 01:33 AM
My question is simple. has mankind learned a thing since the holocaust in Nazi Germany? It doesn't appear so, we have them going on as I type and nothing substantial being done to stop them. Africa is a nightmare. Cambodia happened before the world's eyes. I have friends who lost family in Russia, Poland and Germany.
But, Pat, according to Ban and Colo, you can't bring up those atrocities in this thread. You have to apparently only say what they think you should say.
That is a blatant lie, Mr. I am offended that you would say such a thing about me. I am losing respect for you now.

But, then I guess it is easier for you to make things up rather than make any attempt to understand a different viewpoint.
What effort have you made to understand my very different viewpoint? You have accused me of hate, belittling the holocaust and offered nothing but your indoctrinated opinion to discredit mine. The solution for you is to look for reasons to doubt your support of Zionism and Israeli government policies. You would be surprised. And, except for the holocaust, which we have all said we agree was a terrible thing, you have offered nothing to convince us that we have any reason to support the Zionist state of Israel.
Yep, you continue to make stuff up. Why? I apologized if you intent was not fueled by hate and added that such posts certainly fuel hatred. Can you really not understand how such posts as many of your are read as attempts to reduce the significance of the Holocaust, the government organized effort to round up all Jews, put them in cattle cars and send them off to camps where there was competition for the most efficient and least expensive way to kill and dispose of them even while keeping meticulous records of such actions?
So, posting anything counter to your opinion fosters hate. Is that right? It's your interpretation of what we say that is fueling the hate.
I have never posted any such thing. Why are you still determined to make up things and attribute them to me? Do you think that somehow strengthens your argument?

Oh BTW, I intentionally eliminated the personal attack and insults from you last post.
Was what I posted counter to your opinion or not? If it is then you accused me of fostering hate. I don't need to strengthen my argument. It is what it is. Please point out what insults were in my last post.
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tomdrobin
Mar 4 2013, 11:37 PM
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Mar 4 2013, 11:25 PM
Sorry but what I've read on this board is hate from some libs.
Hate for ignorance and pity for those who buy into the scam perpetrated by right wing media. :teeth:
As I see it, Tom (Neutral) is correct bout hate on this thread and Tom (Tomdrobin) is correct about this forum in general. Most of the hate on this forum tends to come from the right while hate on this specific thread seems to be coming from some of the folks that Neutral would classify as "libs."
I'm disappointed in you for characterizing my opinion about the actions of the Israeli government as being hate. Please explain yourself, if you can.
Read Ban's description of what happened in
Germany. Any post attempting to discredit or belittle or reduce the significance of what happened in Germany is fueled by hatred.
Who has done that, Colo? EXAMPLE PLEASE.
Then why dost thou protest so much when a topic of the Jews comes up..... something you have always done.

But to your question to Colo, I think you did that by diverting to other atrocities such as in Africa and the middle east which have nothing to do with what the Nasis did to the Jews in the 30s and early 40s in Eruope, which gives the appearance of what happened to the Jews during that time as not being uncommon; your defense of the Palestinians; your past complaints of "rich, influencial Jews" in the US. Most Jews in the US that I know, and I grew up around many, are far from wealthy. So why negatively associate the influence of rich Jews with ALL Jews.... why not just reflect negatively on rich, influencial people?
We aren't talking about rich, influential people, we are talking about rich, influential Jews. It's obvious that you don't want to equate the holocaust to other genocides. Why is that? I don't and have never equated Zionists to all Jews and you can't show where I have. So stop making up stuff.
How can I discuss all genocides in one thread. In the past, on several occasions I brought up Pol Pot and the mass killings in Cambodia. On several occasions I brought up the genocide in the Sudan and Gen. Colin Powell's wish for the US to get involved with helping those people. You can't talk about all things at all times. This time I brought up the holocaust because it was a very recent article on the AOL-Huffington Post web site. I'll have to say, I didn't see any counterpoint posts from you when I brought up those other atrocities that I posted about.
I don't remember your bringing up those atrocities. You'll have to refer me to something more definite.
Hey MR, I can't help it if you don't keep abrest of everyone's postings; but, I'm not going to search through the archives just to prove it to you. You can do your own searchings. While you're there see if you can dig up some of your posts where you had much good to say about Jews and give the reference.
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I will say one thing for Thumper though, at least he doesn't try to camouflage his real feelings.
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Mar 5 2013, 04:22 AM
Mountainrivers
Mar 5 2013, 01:37 AM
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Mar 5 2013, 01:28 AM
Mountainrivers
Mar 5 2013, 12:57 AM
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Mar 5 2013, 12:53 AM
Mountainrivers
Mar 5 2013, 12:35 AM
colo_crawdad
Mar 5 2013, 12:34 AM
Mountainrivers
Mar 5 2013, 12:31 AM
colo_crawdad
Mar 5 2013, 12:28 AM
tomdrobin
Mar 4 2013, 11:37 PM
Neutral
Mar 4 2013, 11:25 PM
Sorry but what I've read on this board is hate from some libs.
Hate for ignorance and pity for those who buy into the scam perpetrated by right wing media. :teeth:
As I see it, Tom (Neutral) is correct bout hate on this thread and Tom (Tomdrobin) is correct about this forum in general. Most of the hate on this forum tends to come from the right while hate on this specific thread seems to be coming from some of the folks that Neutral would classify as "libs."
I'm disappointed in you for characterizing my opinion about the actions of the Israeli government as being hate. Please explain yourself, if you can.
Read Ban's description of what happened in
Germany. Any post attempting to discredit or belittle or reduce the significance of what happened in Germany is fueled by hatred.
Who has done that, Colo? EXAMPLE PLEASE.
Then why dost thou protest so much when a topic of the Jews comes up..... something you have always done.

But to your question to Colo, I think you did that by diverting to other atrocities such as in Africa and the middle east which have nothing to do with what the Nasis did to the Jews in the 30s and early 40s in Eruope, which gives the appearance of what happened to the Jews during that time as not being uncommon; your defense of the Palestinians; your past complaints of "rich, influencial Jews" in the US. Most Jews in the US that I know, and I grew up around many, are far from wealthy. So why negatively associate the influence of rich Jews with ALL Jews.... why not just reflect negatively on rich, influencial people?
We aren't talking about rich, influential people, we are talking about rich, influential Jews. It's obvious that you don't want to equate the holocaust to other genocides. Why is that? I don't and have never equated Zionists to all Jews and you can't show where I have. So stop making up stuff.
How can I discuss all genocides in one thread. In the past, on several occasions I brought up Pol Pot and the mass killings in Cambodia. On several occasions I brought up the genocide in the Sudan and Gen. Colin Powell's wish for the US to get involved with helping those people. You can't talk about all things at all times. This time I brought up the holocaust because it was a very recent article on the AOL-Huffington Post web site. I'll have to say, I didn't see any counterpoint posts from you when I brought up those other atrocities that I posted about.
I don't remember your bringing up those atrocities. You'll have to refer me to something more definite.
Hey MR, I can't help it if you don't keep abrest of everyone's postings; but, I'm not going to search through the archives just to prove it to you. You can do your own searchings. While you're there see if you can dig up some of your posts where you had much good to say about Jews and give the reference.
As I suspected, you just make stuff up. Here ya go. These are the most recent ones.

"It wouldn't matter to me whether you are Jewish or not, Ban. I have nothing but admiration for Jews, in general. I've stated many times that my problem is not with Jews, but with Israelis who subscribe to Zionism and practice it in their relationship to Palestinians. I do, however, agree with many on this board who believe that American Jews, in general, support Israel to the detriment of our own country."

"Just to clarify my position, I am not opposed to Jews or any other ethnic group."

" I referred to it as a response to Ban's insinuation that I was attacking all Jews. I explained that it wasn't all Jews, just the Zionists."
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Mar 5 2013, 04:27 AM
I will say one thing for Thumper though, at least he doesn't try to camouflage his real feelings.
That was pretty snarky, but I'm coming to the conclusion that that's how you react when shown you're wrong.
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You do manage to throw the Jewish folks a bone from time to time, just to reassure us that you are not a rabid anti-Semite... just a run of the mill anti-Semite. I think I remember that particular post by you. What was the post link?

So it's Zionists that you dislike:

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Zi·on·ism (z-nzm)
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A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.


I don't consider Zionism as a negative as you do. Some folks ban together in a cause just because they get tired of being kicked around.... like the NAACP and NOW. It's only a negative to folks who dislike Jews, Blacks and Women.
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Mar 5 2013, 06:44 AM
You do manage to throw the Jewish folks a bone from time to time, just to reassure us that you are not a rabid anti-Semite... just a run of the mill anti-Semite. I think I remember that particular post by you. What was the post link?

So it's Zionists that you dislike:

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Zi·on·ism (z-nzm)
n.
A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.


I don't consider Zionism as a negative as you do. Some folks ban together in a cause just because they get tired of being kicked around.... like the NAACP and NOW. It's only a negative to folks who dislike Jews, Blacks and Women.
No, it's a negative to those who believe in equality and the rejection of murder, thievery and forceful oppression of legal inhabitants. You apparently think those things are okay. I think that's pathetic and a blight on anything you think you stand for.
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Written by a Jewish investigator

http://www.serendipity.li/more/finkel.html
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Buck,

Thanks for the information about the book. I intend to read it in full.
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