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The sequestered figures for each agency broke down; a good overview of where our money goes
Topic Started: Mar 3 2013, 12:52 AM (1,444 Views)
colo_crawdad
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Pat
Mar 3 2013, 03:09 PM
colo_crawdad
Mar 3 2013, 07:23 AM
Pat
Mar 3 2013, 07:02 AM
tomdrobin
Mar 3 2013, 03:23 AM
The document within the page has the info, you just have to click on it and scroll down. It's a long list. Definitely a meat axe approach. My concern is that pulling this much money out of the economy will slow the recovery or worse yet reverse it.

It's not good to make snap judgement on whether a program is necessary or not. No doubt some can be eliminated or combined, but that requires some research.

I think this paranoia about debt is counterproductive. We need stimulus now, and long term austerity.
You'll have to ask Obama and his team why those programs were selected. It was his plan.
Pat,

You keep saying that it was Obama's plan even though it was passed when the Republicans held the majority in both the House and the Senate. It appears to be more of a Republican plan than Obama's plan.
Yes I do say that and stick by my posts. The joint committee was deadlocked and could not come up with a agreement. The president gave the senate and house the means to go forward through his sequestor. If you are now arguing symatics then you are game playing. The agreed upon drop dead date came and congress had still not come to a agreement on dealing with the dept and spending. So the cuts and areas to be cut in the president's squestor plan have taken affect. If you disagree with any specific cut, take your complaint to the guy who chose it. The plan was set in stone and congress was told it was non negotiable. All well documented.


Pat,

Since when is blaming the Party who had a majority in both the Senate and the House for passing legislation "arguing semantics?" You are the one blaming the President for legislation passed by Republican majorities in both the Senate and the House. Deny that those majorities successfully and I will also place the blame on the President. Until then, you will remain the party on this forum who is "game playing."
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Mountainrivers
Mar 3 2013, 10:39 PM
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Mar 3 2013, 10:36 PM
There are no "rights" naturally or God given. Rights are what men in power 'give' and take.
Then they are rights, just given and taken by people in power.
We call those entitlements or vote buying.
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Mar 3 2013, 10:42 PM
Mountainrivers
Mar 3 2013, 10:39 PM
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Mar 3 2013, 10:36 PM
There are no "rights" naturally or God given. Rights are what men in power 'give' and take.
Then they are rights, just given and taken by people in power.
We call those entitlements or vote buying.
I see, your argument is a political one.
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Mar 3 2013, 10:36 PM
There are no "rights" naturally or God given. Rights are what men in power 'give' and take.
Yup, the only entity to guarantee those "natural rights" is government. But, some would have you believe a strong government takes away those rights. Now which is it? It wasn't small or limited government that freed the slaves and supported the civil rights movement. And, it wasn't little government that kept people from starving during the great depression, or defeated Hitler and Japan. Nor was it limited government that created the space program, the national highway system and invested in the gold standard for higher education and research and development.

The big government is evil scam has been perpetrated by those who don't like paying the bills.
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Mar 3 2013, 10:46 PM
Thumper
Mar 3 2013, 10:36 PM
There are no "rights" naturally or God given. Rights are what men in power 'give' and take.
Yup, the only entity to guarantee those "natural rights" is government. But, some would have you believe a strong government takes away those rights. Now which is it? It wasn't small or limited government that freed the slaves and supported the civil rights movement. And, it wasn't little government that kept people from starving during the great depression, or defeated Hitler and Japan. Nor was it limited government that created the space program, the national highway system and invested in the gold standard for higher education and research and development.

The big government is evil scam has been perpetrated by those who don't like paying the bills.
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Pat,

Research suggests that your belief that the President alone is to blame for the sequester is out of line with the thinking of about 60% of Americans. Do you think all those folks are "arguing semantics" or just "playing games?"

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a new PEW research poll released today Feb. 21, on who is to blame for the “sequester” if Congress and the President fail to reach a deal before the March 1, 2013 deadline shows; 49 percent blame the Republicans, 31 percent blame the President, 11 percent blame both the President and Congress and 8 percent are not sure.

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Whether or not the President (or his staff, actually) wrote the Sequester is quite irrelevant.

it would not have happened if the party of "No" had not opposed every single rational suggestion. And they then voted for the bill, with Boehner claiming he got "98% of what I wanted".

Now that it's come to pass, every Republican who can find a microphone is claiming they opposed it from the start, and it's all Obama's fault. Hypocrites.

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Edited by Brewster, Mar 4 2013, 01:17 AM.
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I guess that means that no Republicans voted for it, even in the
Republican controlled House.
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From another Blog:
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Only Congress can write or adopt legislation. The president can only suggest, approve, or veto. If the Congress let anyone else write legislation, then they aren’t doing their job and so are still responsible for the results.
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Mar 3 2013, 10:32 PM
Entitlements like social security are provided for by law. And, as such can be taken away by law if there is adequate political support. Constitutional rights are guaranteed by the constitution and are grounded in natural law.
All spending is a result of a law Tom. And I would argue that entitlements are discretionary spending if you review the nation's history. All spending is.

I think if you were to place all the spending cards on the table, and take away the gnashing of teeth and rhetoric, you could view it from a unemotional and logical position. Obama has been in o0ffice for four years, spending during that time has increased 20%, the debt by $6 trillion, with no end in site until Friday. Now that my friends is insane, and to get upset when a mere 2.5% of the spending is cut back is absurd. The sky is not falling as you can see and it won't despite dire warning of a few weeks down the road. Means test entitlements and the problem lessons if not goes away. Increase payroll taxes and you begin to offset the affects of having underfunded future obligations. Everybody with a brain knew the baby boomers were coming and have known it for 60+ years. Since lie expectancy has not changed much, push the age for medicare to 70 and watch life expectancy drop. Christ, 60% of adults are obese in this country, deal with that and again you affect medicare outlays. Far more than any number crunching.
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