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President Obama faces 'cliff fatigue'; You can only cry wolf so many times before being ignored
Topic Started: Feb 26 2013, 04:02 AM (738 Views)
Banandangees
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Brewster
Feb 26 2013, 10:43 AM
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Feb 26 2013, 10:40 AM
Something to consider, the total cuts for this year amount a a whopping $85 bil. I think the Hurricane Sandy bailout of states was near that amount. We cannot keep increasing spending, it's got to come to a halt, look at the debt level.

If our government policies were to grow exports and improve the economy, then revenue increases. Rather than spend more how about reforming some policies to get the economy and tax base expanding?
And if the policies that need reforming require spending more money, such as education, R&D, and infrastructure?

Every election the Democrats talk "education;" done it for decades. Still our children come out less educated and losing ground to other nations. Where has all the money gone over the decades to improve our childrens learning?

And, what country spends more than the U.S. on research and developement?. The U.S. spends more than $100 billion annually over the second placed nation (China), while China, Russia and Iran are reportedly cyber stealing our businesses R&D ideas and technology..... If you're going to spend more on education, R&D and infrastructure (and the importance of that is not contested), then costs have to be cut in other areas as the money isn't there to meet the spending. Borrowing and printing is only deflating the dollar, causing all other expenditures for government and people to be more costly... and of course the middle class bears the burden as they are by far the majority of consumers... but dwindling.
Edited by Banandangees, Feb 26 2013, 06:10 PM.
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Everything is the Republicans fault. Do you not listen to his words? It's what he's done since he's been president and his followers chime in almost verbatim.... like robotic pons. He has divided this country almost beyond repair.

I agree. Everything is the Republican's fault. Including the dividing of the country.

Why are you asking HIM to propose a budget? According to your Constitution, while the Pres. may propose one, spending is the House's responsibility. And what's the point in proposing something you know is going to get shot down anyway? Where's Boehner? He's blaming everbody else - Obama, Reid, anybody but himself.
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Feb 26 2013, 10:38 PM
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Everything is the Republicans fault. Do you not listen to his words? It's what he's done since he's been president and his followers chime in almost verbatim.... like robotic pons. He has divided this country almost beyond repair.

I agree. Everything is the Republican's fault. Including the dividing of the country.

Of course, that's what Obama would say. And, as a loyal follower, that would put you in the "robotic pon" category.

Why are you asking HIM to propose a budget? According to your Constitution, while the Pres. may propose one, spending is the House's responsibility. And what's the point in proposing something you know is going to get shot down anyway? Where's Boehner? He's blaming everbody else - Obama, Reid, anybody but himself.

He won't even discuss a congressional proposed budget. He offers nothing. The House wants to cut spending as an expression of "their responsibility," and Obama won't have it. You need to listen more closely to Obama's recent state by state traveling "campaign" speeches, it's all blame, blame, blame. He is the President...... not much leading going on... mostly inspirational talk for the "robotic pons" to wallow in.
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Feb 26 2013, 10:51 PM
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Feb 26 2013, 10:38 PM
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Everything is the Republicans fault. Do you not listen to his words? It's what he's done since he's been president and his followers chime in almost verbatim.... like robotic pons. He has divided this country almost beyond repair.

I agree. Everything is the Republican's fault. Including the dividing of the country.

Of course, that's what Obama would say. And, as a loyal follower, that would put you in the "robotic pon" category.

Why are you asking HIM to propose a budget? According to your Constitution, while the Pres. may propose one, spending is the House's responsibility. And what's the point in proposing something you know is going to get shot down anyway? Where's Boehner? He's blaming everbody else - Obama, Reid, anybody but himself.

He won't even discuss a congressional proposed budget. He offers nothing. The House wants to cut spending as an expression of "their responsibility," and Obama won't have it. You need to listen more closely to Obama's recent state by state traveling "campaign" speeches, it's all blame, blame, blame. He is the President...... not much leading going on... mostly inspirational talk for the "robotic pons" to wallow in.
Why not do a little checking, Ban, instead of repeating that garbage you hear on Faux News.

Here's a little something for you to chew on.

“President Obama signed into law $1 trillion in cuts to discretionary spending over the next ten years. As part of the 2011 debt agreement the President cut $1,028 billion in discretionary spending through the Budget Control Act. Together with another $676 billion in discretionary savings through annual appropriations bills and interest savings, this will reduce spending by over $2 trillion. As a result, annual discretionary spending is projected to fall to its lowest levels on record, measured as a share of the economy.”


Under President Obama’s watch, spending—including the emergency measures in the Recovery Act—grew at the slowest pace since Eisenhower, and far lower than President Reagan’s first term. In the President’s time in office, federal spending has grown at 1.4 percent per year, the slowest pace since Eisenhower, and far lower than the 8.7 percent in President Reagan’s first term.


“his analysis has been confirmed by other fact checkers. On May 22, 2012, responding to claims that spending under President Obama had accelerated rapidly, PolitiFact wrote that “Obama has indeed presided over the slowest growth in spending of any president using raw dollars, and it was the second-slowest if you adjust for inflation.”

Here

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The House wants to cut spending as an expression of "their responsibility," and Obama won't have it.
Rubbish.

Obama has proposed many cuts,and a a complete Budget. But the Teapublicans won't accept a balanced approach, so the cuts can't happen. End of story.

Here's Obama's Proposed Budget. Why hasn't Boehner brought it up in the House?

Please stop drinkng all that Koch-a-Cola.
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Mountainrivers
Feb 26 2013, 11:00 PM
Banandangees
Feb 26 2013, 10:51 PM
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Feb 26 2013, 10:38 PM
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Everything is the Republicans fault. Do you not listen to his words? It's what he's done since he's been president and his followers chime in almost verbatim.... like robotic pons. He has divided this country almost beyond repair.

I agree. Everything is the Republican's fault. Including the dividing of the country.

Of course, that's what Obama would say. And, as a loyal follower, that would put you in the "robotic pon" category.

Why are you asking HIM to propose a budget? According to your Constitution, while the Pres. may propose one, spending is the House's responsibility. And what's the point in proposing something you know is going to get shot down anyway? Where's Boehner? He's blaming everbody else - Obama, Reid, anybody but himself.

He won't even discuss a congressional proposed budget. He offers nothing. The House wants to cut spending as an expression of "their responsibility," and Obama won't have it. You need to listen more closely to Obama's recent state by state traveling "campaign" speeches, it's all blame, blame, blame. He is the President...... not much leading going on... mostly inspirational talk for the "robotic pons" to wallow in.
Why not do a little checking, Ban, instead of repeating that garbage you hear on Faux News.

Here's a little something for you to chew on.

“President Obama signed into law $1 trillion in cuts to discretionary spending over the next ten years. As part of the 2011 debt agreement the President cut $1,028 billion in discretionary spending through the Budget Control Act. Together with another $676 billion in discretionary savings through annual appropriations bills and interest savings, this will reduce spending by over $2 trillion. As a result, annual discretionary spending is projected to fall to its lowest levels on record, measured as a share of the economy.”


Under President Obama’s watch, spending—including the emergency measures in the Recovery Act—grew at the slowest pace since Eisenhower, and far lower than President Reagan’s first term. In the President’s time in office, federal spending has grown at 1.4 percent per year, the slowest pace since Eisenhower, and far lower than the 8.7 percent in President Reagan’s first term.


“his analysis has been confirmed by other fact checkers. On May 22, 2012, responding to claims that spending under President Obama had accelerated rapidly, PolitiFact wrote that “Obama has indeed presided over the slowest growth in spending of any president using raw dollars, and it was the second-slowest if you adjust for inflation.”

Here

So which is true?

Obama is spending wildly. or he isn't spending enough? He hasn't proposed a Budget, or he's proposed a Budget you don't like? You've now stated all of those in this thread alone.
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Feb 26 2013, 11:03 PM
Mountainrivers
Feb 26 2013, 11:00 PM
Banandangees
Feb 26 2013, 10:51 PM
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Feb 26 2013, 10:38 PM
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Everything is the Republicans fault. Do you not listen to his words? It's what he's done since he's been president and his followers chime in almost verbatim.... like robotic pons. He has divided this country almost beyond repair.

I agree. Everything is the Republican's fault. Including the dividing of the country.

Of course, that's what Obama would say. And, as a loyal follower, that would put you in the "robotic pon" category.

Why are you asking HIM to propose a budget? According to your Constitution, while the Pres. may propose one, spending is the House's responsibility. And what's the point in proposing something you know is going to get shot down anyway? Where's Boehner? He's blaming everbody else - Obama, Reid, anybody but himself.

He won't even discuss a congressional proposed budget. He offers nothing. The House wants to cut spending as an expression of "their responsibility," and Obama won't have it. You need to listen more closely to Obama's recent state by state traveling "campaign" speeches, it's all blame, blame, blame. He is the President...... not much leading going on... mostly inspirational talk for the "robotic pons" to wallow in.
Why not do a little checking, Ban, instead of repeating that garbage you hear on Faux News.

Here's a little something for you to chew on.

“President Obama signed into law $1 trillion in cuts to discretionary spending over the next ten years. As part of the 2011 debt agreement the President cut $1,028 billion in discretionary spending through the Budget Control Act. Together with another $676 billion in discretionary savings through annual appropriations bills and interest savings, this will reduce spending by over $2 trillion. As a result, annual discretionary spending is projected to fall to its lowest levels on record, measured as a share of the economy.”


Under President Obama’s watch, spending—including the emergency measures in the Recovery Act—grew at the slowest pace since Eisenhower, and far lower than President Reagan’s first term. In the President’s time in office, federal spending has grown at 1.4 percent per year, the slowest pace since Eisenhower, and far lower than the 8.7 percent in President Reagan’s first term.


“his analysis has been confirmed by other fact checkers. On May 22, 2012, responding to claims that spending under President Obama had accelerated rapidly, PolitiFact wrote that “Obama has indeed presided over the slowest growth in spending of any president using raw dollars, and it was the second-slowest if you adjust for inflation.”

Here

So which is true?

Obama is spending wildly. or he isn't spending enough? He hasn't proposed a Budget, or he's proposed a Budget you don't like? You've now stated all of those in this thread alone.
I haven't said either of those things, Ban. Quit making stuff up. He has proposed a budget. Look it up instead of relying on Faux News.
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Oops, I think I messed up - I thought Ban was making a statement which was really MR's.

I apologize..

I think it's time I took a coffee break...
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Feb 26 2013, 11:24 PM
Oops, I think I messed up - I thought Ban was making a statement which was really MR's.

I apologize..

I think it's time I took a coffee break...
Uh, I think I was the one who made the mistake, Brew. I though the post I responded to was Ban's, but it was actually yours. Maybe I need another cup of coffee. blink
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Feb 26 2013, 11:00 PM
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Feb 26 2013, 10:51 PM
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Feb 26 2013, 10:38 PM
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Everything is the Republicans fault. Do you not listen to his words? It's what he's done since he's been president and his followers chime in almost verbatim.... like robotic pons. He has divided this country almost beyond repair.

I agree. Everything is the Republican's fault. Including the dividing of the country.

Of course, that's what Obama would say. And, as a loyal follower, that would put you in the "robotic pon" category.

Why are you asking HIM to propose a budget? According to your Constitution, while the Pres. may propose one, spending is the House's responsibility. And what's the point in proposing something you know is going to get shot down anyway? Where's Boehner? He's blaming everbody else - Obama, Reid, anybody but himself.

He won't even discuss a congressional proposed budget. He offers nothing. The House wants to cut spending as an expression of "their responsibility," and Obama won't have it. You need to listen more closely to Obama's recent state by state traveling "campaign" speeches, it's all blame, blame, blame. He is the President...... not much leading going on... mostly inspirational talk for the "robotic pons" to wallow in.
Why not do a little checking, Ban, instead of repeating that garbage you hear on Faux News.

Here's a little something for you to chew on.

“President Obama signed into law $1 trillion in cuts to discretionary spending over the next ten years. As part of the 2011 debt agreement the President cut $1,028 billion in discretionary spending through the Budget Control Act. Together with another $676 billion in discretionary savings through annual appropriations bills and interest savings, this will reduce spending by over $2 trillion. As a result, annual discretionary spending is projected to fall to its lowest levels on record, measured as a share of the economy.”


Under President Obama’s watch, spending—including the emergency measures in the Recovery Act—grew at the slowest pace since Eisenhower, and far lower than President Reagan’s first term. In the President’s time in office, federal spending has grown at 1.4 percent per year, the slowest pace since Eisenhower, and far lower than the 8.7 percent in President Reagan’s first term.


“his analysis has been confirmed by other fact checkers. On May 22, 2012, responding to claims that spending under President Obama had accelerated rapidly, PolitiFact wrote that “Obama has indeed presided over the slowest growth in spending of any president using raw dollars, and it was the second-slowest if you adjust for inflation.”

Here

OK, but we are still spending a $trillion more than we have revenue for. I always applaud when hearing of cuts in spending, but the cuts need to go far deeper if we are to balance our budget. Instead, what I hear and read is that Obama wants to increase spending on his pet projects. Then fine, cut spending in other areas to make up for it.
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