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Obama Invited Terror Suspects To Visit White House
Topic Started: Oct 24 2012, 03:38 AM (1,120 Views)
Berton
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tomdrobin
Oct 25 2012, 04:45 AM
This sounds like preposterous accusations fabricated for right wing loonie consumption. Post from a credible source and it might get some serious discussion.
Here is a sample of some of the radical Islamists the president has invited to the White House:

• Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations' Los Angeles office.

Ayloush in 2004 defended Hamas terror attacks in comments before Muslim students at UCLA. He met twice with White House officials, including the assistant to Obama's political director.

All told, CAIR officials have logged at least 20 visits to the Obama White House, though the FBI in 2008 ended all contact with CAIR because of its ties to Hamas. CAIR remains on the Justice Department's blacklist of unindicted co-conspirators in the largest terror fundraising scheme in U.S. history.

• Louay Safi, formerly executive director of the Islamic Society of North America, another unindicted co-conspirator front group for Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Safi himself was named by the FBI as an unindicted co-conspirator in the trial of convicted terrorist Sami al-Arian. He twice met with White House political aides last year. Safi is now in Syria leading the Muslim Brotherhood campaign to take over the government there.

• Esam Omeish, former head of the Muslim Brotherhood-created Muslim American Society and the Washington mosque attended by the 9/11 hijackers.

He visited the Obama White House three times, though he was booted from a Virginia state immigration commission in 2007 after a video surfaced showing him praising violent "jihad" and martyrdom before a crowd of Washington-area Muslims. Omeish personally hired the late al-Qaida terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki as imam of his Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center. Awlaki ministered to some of the hijackers.

Last month, Omeish, who donated to Obama's 2008 and 2012 campaigns, attended a reception for Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi during his United Nations visit.
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Credible source dummy, not the political equivalent of the supermarket tabloids. :teeth:
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Berton
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So you are unable to argue the facts. I understand. Obama's record is not defensible.
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Berton
Oct 25 2012, 05:00 AM
So you are unable to argue the facts. I understand. Obama's record is not defensible.
Your facts are suspect, SFB.
Edited by tomdrobin, Oct 25 2012, 05:05 AM.
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Child, you need to have your mouth washed out with soap. Go see your mommy.


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MrsS
Oct 25 2012, 04:17 AM
Will Germany (being a NATO member) be helping this time?


I don`t know, but if it`s a NATO operation, don`t all member-states participate?


Basically, I have a fierce distaste for any kind of war....my dad and my uncles fought in Russia, my mom and my sister, along with other female family members, were expelled from the Sudetenland and I remember the stories they told about those war-times.....
Of course they were told that it`s a just war and of course Germany would win and of course there would be no suffering.

War? No,thank you! ( A personal and maybe not rational emotion..........)


But, "if it has to be," how else is it going to be done other than what was done in Libya. 30,000 killed and counting:

NATO participation?:

Berlin's Ghosts
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It may have come as a surprise to many people that Germany—the lynchpin of the NATO alliance on the European continent and a close ally of the United States since 1949—voted to abstain from the U.N. resolution authorizing force against Muammar Qaddafi. The country was a staunch advocate of humanitarian intervention in the Balkans, and it is most definitely not led by a government of leftists who are given to denunciations of American imperialism. Indeed, Chancellor Merkel’s affinity for American values is so pronounced that President Obama recently awarded her our highest civilian honor, the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Why, then, has Germany been so adamant in its opposition to the Libya intervention?

The reason I ask is, Germany and other EU nations benefited more than others from imports of Libyan oil:



Penetta Urges Europe to Spend More on NATO or Risk a Hollowed-Out Alliance
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BRUSSELS — With the Pentagon facing severe budget cuts, Secretary of Defense Leon E. Panetta asked NATO’s European members on Wednesday to heed the lessons of the Libya war and cooperate on much-needed defense spending in order “not to hollow out this alliance.”

Mr. Panetta, in his first European speech as defense secretary, handed out praise as well as criticism, speaking with care in the aftermath of a fiercely phrased warning in June by his predecessor, Robert M. Gates, that NATO risked irrelevance because of its failures to invest in defense.

Mr. Gates said that NATO had become a two-tiered alliance divided between those who bore the burden of defense spending and those along for a free ride.

He warned of “a dim if not dismal future” for the alliance unless its European members increased their participation, and he said that Washington would not forever pay for European security when the Europeans could do that for themselves.

Mr. Panetta took a softer approach, balancing concerns about shortages of equipment and personnel with praise for the NATO’s accomplishments in Libya and Afghanistan.

The fighting in Libya showed, he said, how quickly and decisively NATO could go to war and proved the value of sharing burdens, with France and Britain taking the lead instead of the United States.

But the Libyan conflict, he said, also showed that American capabilities and supplies of ammunition were vital, and it illustrated “growing gaps that must be addressed.”


Also, the cost of the "Missile Defense Program."
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Why, then, has Germany been so adamant in its opposition to the Libya intervention?


Ban, in one way or another our Nazi-past is still haunting us.
We want to avoid the impression of Germany becoming a military power again and thus do not act impartially. We still have a hard time in deciding military sorties. This attitude is slowly beginning to change, but it`ll still take time.

( The Balkan was seen as a genocide, and in the eyes of the public only this justified military intervention there. )

In your link "Berlin`s Ghosts" `...a good article btw...I found some of the answers:



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....For many decades, the world feared a Germany that forgot its Nazi past or had visions of reviving old dreams of empire.

....the true problem—at least for those of us who believe that overseas intervention is sometimes necessary—is not that Germans fail to remember the past; it’s that a particular interpretation of the past (and present) has led one side in this debate to entertain illusions about the diminished role of force in international affairs and thus to rigidly oppose its use for humanitarian ends.

...The government’s position has awakened many critics, also met with sharp criticism in the German press.
In Die Welt, Richard Herzinger—for years the most articulate critic of the foreign policy consensus represented by Westerwelle—criticized “the shameful way that Germany emerged as the party seeking to delay action” on the part of the Americans, British, and French.
Daniel Brossler declared that the decision had eliminated Germany as a serious candidate for permanent Security Council membership, in a piece for the liberal Süddeutsche Zeitung titled “On the side of the dictators.”...



As to Europe spending more on NATO, imo there are two choices: either you`re a member, then pay your fair share.....or you don`t want to spend more - then leave NATO.
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I wouldn't be unhappy if the US left NATO and the UN..... and relook the IMF. They've become a financial drag. Europe is big enough to take care of itself...... let it.
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Oct 26 2012, 12:17 AM
I wouldn't be unhappy if the US left NATO and the UN..... and relook the IMF. They've become a financial drag. Europe is big enough to take care of itself...... let it.
Here here Ban. :toasting:
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Just for clarification I put in the two words in bold:

As to Europe spending more on NATO, imo there are two choices for Europe: either you`re a member, then pay your fair share.....or you don`t want to spend more - then leave NATO.

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