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| Brewster | Oct 20 2012, 08:27 AM Post #11 |
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I'm sure Moolah is straightening everyone out with his vast knowledge of the sunglass industry and how it applies to Greece. |
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| Neutral | Oct 20 2012, 08:31 AM Post #12 |
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LOL. Always resort to that when you get hit with facts Noclue. You don't know sh8t about any country, including Canada. You just spew BS over and over and hope someone believes you. |
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| Banandangees | Oct 20 2012, 10:13 PM Post #13 |
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The people of the United States have to decide on a government that is conducive to a quest for individual and business opportunity versus the desire for government-granted security. The choice is not a new one. The quest for opportunity versus the desire for government-granted security has dominated the democratic process since the ancient Greeks. It still drives the process in contemporary Greece—and everywhere else. For this election, that's what it has come down to. Can government benefits turn an election?
Based on these economic measures, President Obama's re-election would seem to be doomed. But there is a new dynamic at work in 2012. Voter behavior in the past has been based on the performance of the private economy. Markedly different today is the dramatic growth of public-sector benefits.
If you are concerned about your well-being and worried about a failed recovery—but getting new help from the government—do you vote for the candidate who promises more jobs (individual and business opportunity) or do you support the candidate who promises more government benefits (government-granted security)? When tens of millions of people are gaining from the massive expansion of government programs in the past four years, the question is extremely relevant, especially when Mr. Obama's victory in 2008, widely described as a blowout, involved a national margin of only 10 million votes.
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| Brewster | Oct 20 2012, 10:27 PM Post #14 |
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That's a true example of a Gish Gallop in action, and I'm not getting sucked into that. I'll just make two points: Yes, government benefits are at an all time high. And the reason is simple. Failed Bush economic plans shoved the US into the greatest economic crisis since the '30's, and more people needed help than ever before. The problem has been magnified by the Republicans' refusal to pass a rational budget. You claim that Romney has promised more jobs - and that is true. But his only plan is the same old nonsense that got you nearly 10% unemployment in the first place. Why should anyone believe it will work this time? Remember the definition of insanity? Edited by Brewster, Oct 20 2012, 10:28 PM.
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| tomdrobin | Oct 20 2012, 10:45 PM Post #15 |
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I do think a country has to live within its means. But, it also has to be able to levy enough taxes to invest in things that further the country economically. If your family was spending to freely would an appropriate way to address that be to quit your job or cut back on your hours? That seems to be the management by crisis attitude that pervades politics (ie; starve the beast). Seems to me you have to have a balanced approach. |
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| Mountainrivers | Oct 20 2012, 10:52 PM Post #16 |
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Yes! Ban, to his credit, went to some trouble to look up all those statistics, but statistics without context are meaningless. |
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| Brewster | Oct 20 2012, 11:10 PM Post #17 |
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Very much to Ban's credit, he does tend to look things up and get accurate stats. That puts him well beyond most of the other Rightys, and about a mile beyond our two resident idiots who only regurgitate unsubstantiated crap from the Right Wing Echo Chamber. Now if we can just get him to look at the whole picture... |
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| Banandangees | Oct 21 2012, 12:03 AM Post #18 |
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So, you're saying the FACTS presented in the article are not true and not an influence in this election? Besides the jest of the article is what will determine the vote and will it change the nation (for the first time in 3/4 century to government-granted,dependent society or a private/business growth oriented society... one that built our nation. Facts are facts. Numbers are what they are, no matter how anyone want's to spin it. We are becoming Greece, Spain and Portugal. And, for God's sack, doesn't the left every get tired of blaming our economy on Bush and anything other that this administration.... even in foreign affairs others are to blame. IT's so old it's sickening. We need a leader not a complainer. |
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| Sea Dog | Oct 21 2012, 12:14 AM Post #19 |
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I wish that I could have spent some time in the Canada that Ban knows so well, The Canada where no one works and everything is free! |
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| Brewster | Oct 21 2012, 12:21 AM Post #20 |
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I said no such thing. The facts are accurate. It's your one sided interpretation, ignoring the root causes behind the facts, that's the problem. Well, thats a bit of an exaggeration. At least the middle class in the U.S. is willing to pull its weight, unlike Greece. It's just the rich who are trying to avoid their responsibilities. No, I only blame Bush for starting it. I blame the Republican-led House and the filibustering Reps in the Senate for the ongoing situation. You have a leader. You also have an anchor in Congress. And putting Romney back in will mean you have an anchor on both ends of the chain. |
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