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| Fuel Progression for Transportation; Dino Oil, CNG, Four Carbon Ethanols | |
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| Corky52 | Feb 26 2012, 10:29 PM Post #11 |
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MR, Algae is bio mass, grows in water and sunshine, some forms of algae thrive in various kinds of "bad" water. Also various "weeds" can be used as input, lots of cheap land that is useless for most crops will grow suitable input.
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| Stoney | Feb 26 2012, 10:32 PM Post #12 |
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"I'm not throwing oil out, just cutting all the support it receives and then letting it die a natural death." I absolutely agree with government getting out of the "picking winners and looser" business and letting the markets decide, develop what we need, what will work. |
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| Corky52 | Feb 26 2012, 10:38 PM Post #13 |
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Stoney, I've spent a lot of time looking at future of energy farming, time to move off the hunter/gather model for energy and get to farming. A fully integrated model of the system will yield low cost sustainable energy, just takes time and capital to build. Oil cant keep it's costs down, so energy farming will happen, just a question of how much pain will have to be endured in the transition, politics of oil support is just increasing the amount and duration of the pain!
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| Stoney | Feb 26 2012, 10:39 PM Post #14 |
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Again, I'm for free markets, agree the government needs to butt out. |
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| Corky52 | Feb 26 2012, 10:44 PM Post #15 |
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Stoney, Getting government out of oil and you'll see cost of gas above $8.75 a gallon, diesel at north of $10 a gallon. Between the supports and the giving away of natural resources to oil companies you have a highly skewed market.
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| Mountainrivers | Feb 26 2012, 10:53 PM Post #16 |
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OK!, Thanks! |
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| Stoney | Feb 26 2012, 10:58 PM Post #17 |
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Prices will go higher. But you negate the effects of supply and demand. Prices will go up, demand will go down and prices and demand will float to a level that the market will support. And higher prices will make room for alternative fuel if the supply and demand can compete. I don't know what that would produce. I only know that it would produce something designed and supported by the markets, and therefore something that would work. |
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| Corky52 | Feb 26 2012, 11:08 PM Post #18 |
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Stoney, There is a minimum demand level for our life styles, pain point so to speak, that is where oil price lives. Saw $4.43 a gallon regular on the way to the store earlier this morning. I plan much longer term than many here think, figure to start in fuel farming in the next few years, depends on how things move. Right now I'm doing well in the CNG conversions, that is short term cutting edge. When CNG trucks went from local moving in the L.A. ports to making the pulls out to the logistics areas in the high desert I saw the handwriting on the wall. Pulling the Cajon pass with 80k loads said it all. Rules said 10 miles and economics said 70 miles, guess which won? There is already talk of CNG corridors being pushed out along I8 and I15, have to watch what happens.
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| Stoney | Feb 26 2012, 11:14 PM Post #19 |
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Again, I hope you're right. And I'm still for markets determining the price of fuel. It is what it is. I'd rather pay at the pump than pay the taxes. And that way it would be fair to everyone. |
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| Corky52 | Feb 26 2012, 11:21 PM Post #20 |
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Stoney, Right now you pay both at the pump and through your taxes to support the oil industry, amount both places will be going up, way up! Market did the Right thing with the CNG trucking, economics trumps government regs every time. Cost of fuel and real estate made CNG way cheaper when tech was worked out. Tech was actually simple, refit bigger fuel tanks and bigger feed lines to fuel system, guy that figured that out made a mint for a little while. Amazing what people will do when money is involved.
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