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Is it time to toss out hate crime laws?
Topic Started: Feb 26 2012, 03:37 AM (499 Views)
Pat
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If a gang of white thugs beat up some blacks and in the process throw racial slurs such as nigger during the attack, the bar is raised and they will be charged with a hate crime. Under these statutes, it's illegal to threaten, coerces, or harm other people based on their race. But as you see in this case, prosecutors hem and haw around when three lesbians attack a gay man spewing forth hate filled language aimed at his sexuality. Maybe it's time to just toss these laws and get on with life. To pick and choose which set of victims is the flavor of the month is biased and dumb. Who appreciates tip towing around minorities in fear of offending them and being held to a different standard to boot?


http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20220225lawyer_lesbians_assault_on_gay_man_cant_be_hate_crime/srvc=home%26position=2

Three women identified by their lawyers as lesbians were arraigned yesterday on a hate crime charge for allegedly beating a gay man at the Forest Hills T station in an unusual case that experts say exposes the law’s flawed logic.

“My guess is that no sane jury would convict them under those circumstances, but what this really demonstrates is the idiocy of the hate-crime legislation,” said civil liberties lawyer Harvey Silverglate. “If you beat someone up, you’re guilty of assault and battery of a human being. Period. The idea of trying to break down human beings into categories is doomed to failure.”
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tomdrobin
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I agree the reason for the crime is not an issue, just that a crime was committed and the perp must be punished.
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I've always thought that redefining any infraction as a"hate crime" lacked reason.
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colo_crawdad
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There are two kinds of "hate crime"laws in this country. One group are "stand alone laws" and the other is the additional punishment laws. Both make perfect sense in the context of a criminal justice system that is predicated on the violators' intent for most criminal punishment.
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A hate crime law might be appropriate when it is something that is very hateful and inflamatory but without considering the intent it would only be a minor misdemeanor.

For instance burning a KKK cross. Burning without a permit etc. would hardly be a deterrent. Or the lynch noose thing.
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maybe if whites did not string up blacks on corners for years I could agree with you. Maybe some uptight whites need to stop being so scared of a black man and get past their inbred hatred. Maybe then we can get rid of hate laws.

The low class whites of the south created this mess and their politician cronies perpetuated this hatred for years. Even today these low class scum proudly display a confederate flag on their truck, home or store
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jcapps
Feb 27 2012, 09:22 PM
maybe if whites did not string up blacks on corners for years I could agree with you. Maybe some uptight whites need to stop being so scared of a black man and get past their inbred hatred. Maybe then we can get rid of hate laws.

The low class whites of the south created this mess and their politician cronies perpetuated this hatred for years. Even today these low class scum proudly display a confederate flag on their truck, home or store
Additionally, to eliminate the need tof hate crime laws, we would need to dispense with the homophobic fear and hatred of homosexuals. I am not at all sure that is a malady of exclusively "poor whites."
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jcapps
Feb 27 2012, 09:22 PM
maybe if whites did not string up blacks on corners for years I could agree with you. Maybe some uptight whites need to stop being so scared of a black man and get past their inbred hatred. Maybe then we can get rid of hate laws.

The low class whites of the south created this mess and their politician cronies perpetuated this hatred for years. Even today these low class scum proudly display a confederate flag on their truck, home or store
I wish it were only low-class scum, but it appears it transcends class. This forum is a case in point.
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Feb 27 2012, 09:46 PM
jcapps
Feb 27 2012, 09:22 PM
maybe if whites did not string up blacks on corners for years I could agree with you. Maybe some uptight whites need to stop being so scared of a black man and get past their inbred hatred. Maybe then we can get rid of hate laws.

The low class whites of the south created this mess and their politician cronies perpetuated this hatred for years. Even today these low class scum proudly display a confederate flag on their truck, home or store
I wish it were only low-class scum, but it appears it transcends class. This forum is a case in point.
oh I knew that.......... the shoe fits some here so.....
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