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Population control by abortion
Topic Started: Feb 25 2012, 09:43 AM (1,322 Views)
Chris
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From conception it is life, and it can't be but human, and as such the unborn's rights must be protected.

Assume the woman has a right to privacy, that is, property, her body being her property.

Should the mother's rights out weight the unborn's? That's the question, I think, and, I think, it's for society to decide, not government, one way or the other.

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Jim Miller
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Unborn babies are expendable. Baby killing for the sake of convenience is acceptable behavior.
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Chris
Feb 26 2012, 04:58 AM
From conception it is life, and it can't be but human, and as such the unborn's rights must be protected.

Assume the woman has a right to privacy, that is, property, her body being her property.

Should the mother's rights out weight the unborn's? That's the question, I think, and, I think, it's for society to decide, not government, one way or the other.

I guess when you think about it, the most valuable property we all have is that thing called life. Some creatures lay eggs, so the species does not reiy on the goodwill of a host to remain alive long enough to fend for itself. And I suppose if we are going to defend any property rights or weaklings, it should be the unborn. The hitch here is in having grown intellectually on the topic of the unborn. I have no doubt that had the founding fathers known them what we do, that abortion would never had had a loophole to exist.

I have to add this other thought to the mix. Were every single woman to abort every single cell cluster within say a months time of conception, as a species we would cease to exist, based soley on the decision of the females among us and as allowed under law. Some argue that we have already been negatively impact,as has western Europe, leaving the west severely underpopulated and dependent on foreign labor.

I won't tell a woman what to do with her body, but I'm willing to listen to solutions.
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Chris
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Let a jury decide.

The point at which the unborn is considered a human life worthy of protection has shifted through history. Theologians considred various numbers of days since quickening. In colonial times there was little concern with abortion because the mother's role as begetter of little workers was more important. Industrialization changed that and the family structure. Medical science has changed that, and was an important part of the Roe v Wade decision, but it has advanced further since.

Leave it to society to decide, and legally a jury of peers.
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Chris,

Should the trial occur before or after the woman becomes pregnant? I am agreement with Pat. I won't tell a woman what to do with her own body but I would rather see prevention rather than abortion.

However this decision is the woman's to make until the fetus is viable. However, dollar wise, an abortion is much cheaper than a tax supported life (jails and prisons are incredibly expensive). Yes Jim I don't mind lowering my taxes via abortion.
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After the abortion, and indictment, of course, ken.

"However this decision is the woman's to make until the fetus is viable."

By what reasoning do you decide that? What about the rights of the unborn?
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Chris
Feb 26 2012, 05:25 AM
Leave it to society to decide, and legally a jury of peers.
Do you mean just an informal gathering like a lynch mob?

Or that court thing that government provides?
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tomdrobin
Feb 26 2012, 06:05 AM
Chris
Feb 26 2012, 05:25 AM
Leave it to society to decide, and legally a jury of peers.
Do you mean just an informal gathering like a lynch mob?

Or that court thing that government provides?
Not necessarily a government court, tom. Why is your first thought always government as solution?
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Jim Miller
Feb 25 2012, 03:34 PM
I suppose if we are going to kill people we could , say, kill all criminals, illegal immigrants, the mentally retarded, etc., etc., etc. Naw, that would severely decrease the liberal voters. Back to the drawing board.
How would it increase liberal voters? Most criminals aren't allowed to vote, neither are illegal immigrants.

Now bumping off the retarded, the sub average IQ's and the demented old folks might
would really put the hurts on the GOP. :tongue:
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Chris
Feb 26 2012, 06:07 AM
tomdrobin
Feb 26 2012, 06:05 AM
Chris
Feb 26 2012, 05:25 AM
Leave it to society to decide, and legally a jury of peers.
Do you mean just an informal gathering like a lynch mob?

Or that court thing that government provides?
Not necessarily a government court, tom. Why is your first thought always government as solution?
Why do you rail against government with no viable alternative?

You have to have rules (aka laws), the laws have to be enforced and where do you get the judiciary system from? Your non government utopia in reality is disfunctional.
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