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I Propose a new amendment to the Constitution
Topic Started: Feb 24 2012, 10:04 PM (1,482 Views)
Jim Miller
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My goal has never been to chase any Canadian away. My goal has always been to get the Canadians to mind their own business. Their input has no value. It is meaningless up until the time they get to vote here. Start a Canadian only section, discuss matters outside of our political arena, but stay out of our business. Canadian interloping is rude, insensitive and totally meaningless. It has no value and serves no purpose.
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Corky52
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Why don't we simply auction off voting rights, issue a limited (uneven) number of votes and sell them one to a customer to finance the government? If we instead of fighting the purchase of government. use the free market as a tool make the purchase necessitate the wise use of the purchased power due to it's cost, we might be better off.




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Stoney
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tomdrobin
Feb 25 2012, 11:00 AM
Why don't we just have an amendment that welfare recipients only get 3/5 of a vote.
Sound familiar?
Absolutely not. I don't know of any time in history that any people had only 3/5 of a vote. This is apparently another fact that you would embrace that's not true.
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Brewster
Feb 25 2012, 08:05 AM
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Feb 25 2012, 07:59 AM
Brewster
Feb 25 2012, 07:49 AM
On the surface. Until you realize who did the work that made the Billionaires their money.
Are you talking about those beer drinking couch potatoes? I don't think they contributed all that much.

In you defense you're probably under the impression that the people who are on government assistance are there because they can't work or can't find work. For too many neither is true.

But someone who does work, is honest in their contribution will earn a good living. But that doesn't give them the right to what much longer hours, more economic discipline and smarter planning produces. If they want to make those sacrifices the opportunity for the rewards is there, or was befire government kept making it harder.
Nope. I'm talking about the 85% or so of the population who work their buns off their whole lives, but aren't lucky enough or have the wrong skills to ever become rich - Joe average citizen.

And you want to take the franchise away from them.

Getting rich by hard work alone is a nonsensical idea.
I don't know about the 85%, probably a number you pulled out of thin air. But I would agree there are some who work hard from 8 to 5 and then going home to an evening of watching TV. I don't have anything against that. Its a choice most of us make, a compromise between leisure time and making a living, the ability to be free of the stress of responsibility and the threat and risk of failure.

"And you want to take the franchise away from them."

I merely assert that if its fair to base the contributions of people on their income its fair to base their ability to have a say in how those contributions are spent on their income is as fair.

"Getting rich by hard work alone is a nonsensical idea."

Right. It requires harder work, longer hours, smarter work, the ability to fail and get back up and try again.
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Brewster
Feb 25 2012, 10:45 AM
Thank you, gang. But Miller is not likely to chase me or any other Canadian away.

The only time I consider leaving is when the fact-free rants from the US Right get so far away from reality that I fear for my blood pressure...

Speaking of fact-free rants, did you hear what Santorum said about Dutch Health Care? I think the US has just lost an ally.
I should start a thread about that...
For some reason,
right wing Americans feel that it is their mandate
to insult and annoy the citizens of other countries,
friend or foe!

Must be a version of the Father knows best syndrome.
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Jim Miller
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Right-wing Americans are no business of yours, Sea. If we are so bad pack your bags, go home, and stay there.
Edited by Jim Miller, Feb 25 2012, 09:33 PM.
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Chris
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Brewster
Feb 25 2012, 10:45 AM
Thank you, gang. But Miller is not likely to chase me or any other Canadian away.

The only time I consider leaving is when the fact-free rants from the US Right get so far away from reality that I fear for my blood pressure...

Speaking of fact-free rants, did you hear what Santorum said about Dutch Health Care? I think the US has just lost an ally.
I should start a thread about that...
So is blood pressure the cause of your fact- and logic-free bluster, brewster?
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Stoney
Feb 25 2012, 08:29 PM
tomdrobin
Feb 25 2012, 11:00 AM
Why don't we just have an amendment that welfare recipients only get 3/5 of a vote.
Sound familiar?
Absolutely not. I don't know of any time in history that any people had only 3/5 of a vote. This is apparently another fact that you would embrace that's not true.
I was referring to the 3/5 compromise, whereby the southern slave holders got to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person in the census to increase their congressional representation. I only believe and use the facts. Just the facts man. Can't say that for the Fox loonies though.
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Chris
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tomdrobin
Feb 26 2012, 06:55 AM
Stoney
Feb 25 2012, 08:29 PM
tomdrobin
Feb 25 2012, 11:00 AM
Why don't we just have an amendment that welfare recipients only get 3/5 of a vote.
Sound familiar?
Absolutely not. I don't know of any time in history that any people had only 3/5 of a vote. This is apparently another fact that you would embrace that's not true.
I was referring to the 3/5 compromise, whereby the southern slave holders got to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person in the census to increase their congressional representation. I only believe and use the facts. Just the facts man. Can't say that for the Fox loonies though.
And what's your fact got to do with voting? 3/5 compromise had nothing to do with voting.
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Chris
Feb 26 2012, 06:56 AM
And what's your fact got to do with voting? 3/5 compromise had nothing to do with voting.
And, who in the hell said it did? Certainly not me. I just proposed that welfare loafers get 3/5 of a vote. This was after someone else suggested limiting voting rights for example to white males who own property. Perhaps we should require some knowledge of politics and history to be able to vote. I doubt that would help though, as we have people who know better but still believe crap that isn't true because is fits their biased view of the world.
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